Missing AOR Units from Spartan Recruitment

**Deathkorpsman** · July 09, 2012, 09:31 PM

Since my Government Buildings thread seems to have been hijacked and my posts are being ignored in favor of a discussion of building construction time suggestions for the next patch, I will start a new thread for this issue that I may or may not be having. Hijacking a guys thread should be criminal.

Would someone be so kind as to point out the name of the file that has all the government building stats in it? The one I've been looking at is:

Rome - Total War/RTRVII/Data/export_desc_buildings

and I'm not sure if it is correct. I'm curious because a fair number of AOR units listed there aren't available for recruitment in my game. If someone would confirm that is the correct file, I'll be able to tell which ones specifically aren't showing. The one unit I know for sure that isn't showing is Hoplomani Etrusci, which is listed on the building's in-game description but isn't available to recruit. The units are mainly missing from the Hoi Lakedaimonioi kai hoi Symmachoi tier 4 structure, but looking through this file there might be some others in lesser buildings as well.

**Muizer** · July 10, 2012, 02:27 AM

Hello DKM,

That's the right file. I'm not the expert on recruitment for VII, but I know about buildings. The AOR units should be available in regions with the appropriate hidden resource (AOR stands for "area of recruitment"). I've never really paid attention to how that shows up in the building info scroll though, so I can't say if those units will show up if you consult the scroll in a region that doesn't have the appropriate resource.

**Deathkorpsman** · July 10, 2012, 02:34 AM

Thanks for the response Muizer. Would those units show up if I viewed the building from a settlement's building browser in a region where the resource is supposed to be available? Some of these units I've looked for through every area I can think of that would meet the requirements but I can't find them through the browser. Some of these units I've never even seen in game, such as:

recruit "aor hoplomachi bruttii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource italic_aor and hidden_resource special_hr_6

Are some of these units holdovers from mod design that are left out in the game? I've noticed a few others that seem to be completely nonexistent as units to recruit.

Basically, should all of the units listed in the file for a particular building in the right AOR with the right resources be available in game? Because I know for sure that some aren't. Also, how would I go about finding what regions have what hidden resources? That would be a big help for running down others.

**Caligula Caesar** · July 10, 2012, 02:09 PM

That line says the unit, and then the hidden resources that determine the location (in the case of that one, Rhegium and Croton). These AoR units obviously won't appear in the browser unless the hidden resource conditions are fulfilled.

In fact, the only way that I know of that a unit could appear in the browser and not be recruitable (except if another building is needed, but that isn't ever the case in VII) is in the case of reform units. These work through the use of weapon upgrades. If a weapon upgrade is in negative figures, the unit automatically becomes unrecruitable, but remains in the building browser. It is possible that the Etruscan Hoplites may accidentally have the wrong weapon type (one is reserved for reform units, and I guess one is reserved for pre-reform units).

Edit: Finding out which region the hidden resources mean can be tricky, but the hidden resources are allocated in descr_regions (in data/world/maps/base), so you'd have to search there.

**Deathkorpsman** · July 10, 2012, 06:55 PM

Thanks Caligula, that is extremely helpful. For the weapon upgrade issue, how would I go about checking to see if the unit is being blocked due to an incorrect weapon type? My reform has already occurred, so that may be the problem. The only reform unit Sparta gets is pikemen though, so would it be odd if it is blocking regular hoplites (Hoplomani Etrusci) as well as cavalry (Equites Etrusci)?

In any case, these are two AOR units that show up on the building description for Hoi Lakedaimonioi kai hoi Symmachoi but are not recruitable once the building is constructed:

recruit "aor etruscan hoplites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_etruscan
recruit "aor etruscan cavalry" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_etruscan

These are units that I've searched for in game, in the regions they should be available, but don't show up in the building browser. I don't currently have Hoi Lakedaimonioi kai hoi Symmachoi built in these regions, so I haven't checked to see if they appear once it is built, though I don't know why they would do that.

recruit "aor hoplomachi bruttii" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource italic_aor and hidden_resource special_hr_6 (I've actually never seen this unit in game, as any faction, either recruitable by me or used by the computer)
recruit "aor keltoi ambacti" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_gaul
;;recruit "merc rhodian slingers" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_greek and hidden_resource special_hr_2 and not hidden_resource capital
;;recruit "merc cretan archers" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_greek and hidden_resource special_hr_3 and not hidden_resource aor_mace

I control all the regions from the right side of the map all the way through the middle of gaul, including all of Italy and Sicily. That 'should' include the regions where these units are supposed to be recruitable, but I've looked through all my settlements that make any sense and couldn't find them. I know for sure, for example, that Merc Cretan Archers don't show up on the building browser for Kydonia but according to the file you mentioned the resources are available. Some of these units I actually would really like to be able to build. The Hoplomachi Brutii I'm interested to even see, because I've never seen reference to them in my games, as any faction.

**Deathkorpsman** · July 12, 2012, 08:18 PM

Sorry for the double post, but I was making references to those Hoplomachi Brutti that I thought I'd never seen before. Pretty sure those are actually Bruttii Swordsmen? Kind of confusing that the game names them that but the EDB and EDU files don't. At least for someone like me who only has the vaguest understanding of Greek/Latin.

Also, is there a specific person who is keen on the recruitment aspects of this mod that I could PM for more information on these units that are missing in my game? And hopefully how to fix it? Thanks in advance!

**Maurits** · July 13, 2012, 04:14 AM

Kepper is the one who coded most of the EDB, he'd be the one to contact on such things.

I'm pretty sure the Brutii swordsmen are ingame, though, I recall having recruited them in Kroton or Rhegion, not sure which of the two.

**Deathkorpsman** · July 13, 2012, 04:58 AM

Oh absolutely. Once I realized they were the swordsmen I wrote them off mentally. Meant to state that too but I guess I didn't, lol. The others are not there though, so maybe I'll drop this Kepper a PM.

**kepper** · July 13, 2012, 05:10 PM

Just check and double check Hoi Lakedaimonioi kai hoi Symmachoi, you can build the aor hoplomachi bruttii.

But since the Hoi Lakedaimonioi kai hoi Symmachoi just can by built in region having the HR greek_mac, don´t how can y can you recruit.

recruit "aor etruscan hoplites" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_etruscan
recruit "aor etruscan cavalry" 0 requires factions { seleucid, } and hidden_resource aor_etruscan

Most by Glich in your version can you send pictures of the region

**Deathkorpsman** · July 14, 2012, 09:04 AM

Thanks for the response kepper! I went back through and waggled information around in my head until I finally figured out that Hoplomachi Bruttii were actually Bruttii Swordsmen. It really confused me since the EDU file usually references the name that shows up in game. I don't speak Greek or Latin and only barely get the basic usage, so seeing Hoplomachi was making me automatically think hoplites. At any rate, here are the screenshots of missing AOR units: