Mauretani Invasion OOC

[Okmin]

Romans: Jesse James
Mauretani: Okmin

Moderator: Stig

[Dance the older]

Are the Mauretanian's that uber? Horse Archers? Elite Infantry? Spear Cavalry? 15k spearmen?

I question if they even have Horse Archers though, that's more a Middle-Eastern/Asiatic thing at this time isn't it?

my 6,500 cavalry will be useless vs all but the archers now. No point in having them

[Lucius Malfoy]

Are the Mauretanian's that uber? Horse Archers? Elite Infantry? Spear Cavalry? 15k spearmen?

I question if they even have Horse Archers though, that's more a Middle-Eastern/Asiatic thing at this time isn't it?

my 6,500 cavalry will be useless vs all but the archers now. No point in having them

Actually its not just a Middle-Eastern/Asiatic thing. Numidians had Skirmish cavalry and horse archers. Most desert nations around this had that, including those in North Africa. Carthage was very mobile in land battles because of Numidian cavalry which was considered the best mobile units in North Africa at this time.

[The Stig]

What did you expect?

[Dance the older]

An army not superior to Egypts..

I'm going to have to wait on this hilltop for reinforcements now. 5 arrow barrages from the Horse Archers will take out my army, 4000 ha's lol. I can't move from where I'm at. They have near equal match on top of that in spear cavalry to mine own. With equal archers too. We all know how powerful horse archers are

How long until the other 2 legions arrive?

[Lucius Malfoy]

Might be best to withdraw from the area till your reinforcements arrive. Find a city to lodge in or something. Sitting on a hilltop will risk encirclement and an easy way to deter your reinforcements.

Remember, these African nations have mobility and guerrilla tactics on their side. Even if your reinforcements arrive, they will be hampered along the way most likely and thus be weaker when they arrive.

But its up to you. I remember my first battle against the Arverni in TRS 1.0. Man that was a rough campaign...but of course Ponti was my superior and I was his deputy.

[The Stig]

You should probably be posting your movements here

[Lucius Malfoy]

You should probably be posting your movements in the movement thread...

That link doesn't work lol

[Dance the older]

Savages with an axe and minimal armor is one thing. An army of nearly all spearmen including cavalry, makes mine virtually obsolete vs this army lol.

I don't know why Spanish legions were approved for the campaign judging by distance, it woulda been better to send reserves from Italy.

[The Stig]

Savages with an axe and minimal armor is one thing. An army of nearly all spearmen including cavalry, makes mine virtually obsolete vs this army lol.

What made you think they were savages? They might not wear much armor, but given their cavalry heavy armies it makes sense that they would be good at countering horsemen

I don't know why Spanish legions were approved for the campaign judging by distance, it woulda been better to send reserves from Italy

That may be true, but Italy is close to other conflicts as well. Iberia is generally subdued.

[Dance the older]

What made you think they were savages? They might not wear much armor, but given their cavalry heavy armies it makes sense that they would be good at countering horsemen


That may be true, but Italy is close to other conflicts as well. Iberia is generally subdued.

Subduing barbarians in the north is different from a professional army which the Mauretanians seem to possess. This battle would not be won without heavy casualties. I will have no choice but to make them leave through diplomacy. One wrong step in a battle like this would ruin your char for the rest the game. I will not be the 2nd loss this games had

Time to initiate diplomacy mode!

[Lucius Malfoy]

Savages with an axe and minimal armor is one thing. An army of nearly all spearmen including cavalry, makes mine virtually obsolete vs this army lol.

I don't know why Spanish legions were approved for the campaign judging by distance, it woulda been better to send reserves from Italy.

One problem: we have no reserves in Italy. The only reserves were 150 archers in North Italy. Then you had Brewster's forces in Sardinia...but they moved to strike at the rebels on Sicily. So the next closest place was Spain which had ample legions that weren't doing anything..

[Okmin]

We have no reserves in Italy

Anyway, if there's no objections, I'll be the Mauretani.

[Lucius Malfoy]

We have no reserves in Italy

Anyway, if there's no objections, I'll be the Mauretani.

Who will mod then?

[Dance the older]

Diplomacy seems the only good option here. This consulate is weak right now. If the Egyptians decided to invade, they'd be halfway to Carthage by years end lol. I even said 3 legions for Africa was small last year in the Curia, and someone argued it wasn't

[Rhapture]

Diplomacy seems the only good option here. This consulate is weak right now. If the Egyptians decided to invade, they'd be halfway to Carthage by years end lol. I even said 3 legions for Africa was small last year in the Curia, and someone argued it wasn't

Don't think we have an egyptian invasion roll - and at this time they were not expanding

Subduing barbarians in the north is different from a professional army which the Mauretanians seem to possess. This battle would not be won without heavy casualties. I will have no choice but to make them leave through diplomacy. One wrong step in a battle like this would ruin your char for the rest the game. I will not be the 2nd loss this games had

Time to initiate diplomacy mode!

I would not quite call this a professional army. just experienced in Desert combat. Be lucky no camel cavalry are there (would or should be a significant negative bonus to horse cavalry). But I am glad you are at least going forward in a difficult situtation.

[Dance the older]

Don't think we have an egyptian invasion roll - and at this time they were not expanding

In all fairness, we don't know that IG. OOC we know there's little to no chance. IG, we could get invaded or revolted against at any moments notice, from anywhere. 3 Legions from Cyrene to Cirta doesn't cut it. There should be a minimum of 6, and I will change that if I remain Pro-Consul, and survive this upcoming battle!


Rome is about to sum up the Mauritanian invasion in 5 words. Straight from the mouth of Rome itself.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[The Stig]

In all fairness, we don't know that IG. OOC we know there's little to no chance. IG, we could get invaded or revolted against at any moments notice, from anywhere. 3 Legions from Cyrene to Cirta doesn't cut it. There should be a minimum of 6, and I will change that if I remain Pro-Consul, and survive this upcoming battle!

Of course we know that. It's a long way from Alexandria to Carthage, giving us plenty of notice when attacked. We'll be able to ship any Legions we need from other fronts before they have a chance to deal any real damage. In addition, they simply have no reason to fight us. We're prosperous trading partners.

[Dance the older]

Of course we know that. It's a long way from Alexandria to Carthage, giving us plenty of notice when attacked. We'll be able to ship any Legions we need from other fronts before they have a chance to deal any real damage. In addition, they simply have no reason to fight us. We're prosperous trading partners.

If you guys saw this before, how come Numidia did not have a legion present? I didn't even have a chance to lead the consul, when a Mauritanian army came knocking. You'd think with the hostilities from before, that Mauritania would have legions along the border, so to prevent such a thing. Okmin said it IG himself.. They took advantage of Proconsulis Africanus' weakened state lol.

I just realize 4 of your legions are in Carthage. Could I not have them and end this Invasion? Then we can do retaliation... We could use Consulate funds to reimburse you. The main priority is strengthening the Consulate, which was my mandate and I've been unable to even utter a word of change and there's a revolt (where no legion was present), and an invasion (also where no legion was present).

With your 24,000 men, I could end the war. It is illogical to bring Spanish legions to Africa, when 4 full legions are sitting in Carthage...

And also.. I'm not talking about Alexandria to Carthage, I'm talking about Alexandria to Cyrene... We don't have 1 legion in Libya. We should have atleast 2, 4 in Numidia, and 2 in Carthage, at all times. As well as 1 in Sicily. Would be my beginning plans to strengthen the Consulate

I saw this coming, in Curia 85BC thread;
Nobody wanted to believe me that Rome appears in a weakened condition in the Consularis Africanus, but the Mauritanian's exploited that weakness. If I had been in the Consulate 3, maybe 4 terms ago. This would never have picked up. I would have had my legion placements in order

But the fact the Senate agreed to ship more Legions into Africa proves it was ill-equipped to deal with an invasion by 30,000, not to mention if the King had of brought allies from the Sahara, a Numidian uprising (there should NEVER have not been atleast 2-3 legions in a newly conquered territory). 30,000 is lucky. Could have been 40,000-50,000, not to mention the amount of discontent from Carthaginian/ and Numidian rebels if they chose to join their Mauretian allies. The Bedouin are a nomadic people, they were also prevalent at this time, and don't take kindly to being conquered either, as I mention below..

Now because nobody listened, I'm in a kerfuffle. If I leave Numidia because I'm outnumbered or not positioned correctly to handle the Mauretian army, then we are bascially showing the Numidian protectorate that we cannot even protect it.. Meaning they might as well revolt. IRL, they probably would have if this happened. I have no choice but to stay, as a show of force that they can't walk all over our undefended lands. If I leave, Rome loses respect in Numidia.. Possibly a revolt, or thousands joining the Mauretian cause. If I stay, I could face the same issue, and possibly bad positioning against a desert-bred army. So either way, my char is going to suffer from the Senate/ and the previous Pro-Consul's blunders. C'est la vie

My ideas for if elected to the position is as follows;

- Better farming equipment for the productivity of many crops, so to increase the exports from the Consulate to the rest of the Republic, as needed.
- A revamped road system to better enhance the productivity of the African provinces.
- More soldiers for the protection for the bordering settlements, to thwart any Bedouin, Numidian, or Berber attacks against Roman provinces in the south. Even if I have to provide for protection of the Consulate myself, with mine own funds, to see it successful.
- A fully completed census of the Consulate, which may not have been completed in some years, due to the recent problems of filling the position with a suitable Pro-Consul.
- An increase in able-bodied slave production for the outlying Consulates, and the mainland of the Republic itself, as in recent years, the exports from the Consulate have been weak and stagnated.
- Increased alliances and pushes to subjugate further African provinces into the Republic, through witty diplomacy and trade.

Gaius now stands, to cool down the senate.

He turns toward Quintus

Your proposal interests me, though I have a qualm with it. You do realize that there are 3 Senatorial legions and 1 proconsular legion in Africa already. Don't you agree that sending anymore legions is quite an unnecessary waste of Senate funds and Roman lives? If you want to supplement the defense should you be elected, feel free to do so, it would be your job. Maybe, if things truly look bleak, you can petition the Senate for Auxila, but another Legion is unnecessary. No one defeats FOUR Roman legions, even when led by a child. As to the rest, I have no issue, if Spain can be built from the ground up, there is no reason why Africa can't.

Gaius sits back down, awaiting a reply.

I have considered this, wise Gaius. As previously stated, I will rearrange the legions' placement in Africa, and if need be, by my own coin, bolster our strength in in the Southern Consulate. I would not waste funds better suited for elsewhere, nor Roman lives if it's not needed. However the savagery of the south, the lingering hatred by the nomadic tribes south of our borders over the removal of their longtime allies, the Carthaginian's still lingers in their minds. If I am permitted to Pro-Consul the region, I will reinforce it by any means within my own. I will seek aid for my plans, but I would never push upon it. Should there be spare coin, there should, if not I will make do. I promise though I will not neglect our loyal citizens in Africa. I will fund my own legion, once mine own coin permits it.

I thank you for pointing that out, however. I believe I have now addressed it infront of all you fine senators, and my plans will be within our means, I assure you. Quintus bows to the other senators, before taking his seat

[The Stig]

Who will mod then?

I am, or so it seems

Subduing barbarians in the north is different from a professional army which the Mauretanians seem to possess. This battle would not be won without heavy casualties. I will have no choice but to make them leave through diplomacy. One wrong step in a battle like this would ruin your char for the rest the game. I will not be the 2nd loss this games had

There's a reason the Romans never crossed the Sahara