How can I fix the elephants

[Smerka]

As the title says, how can I fix these stupid elephants and stop them take my full stack to rout them. Who thought this was a good idea? and was it tested? because right now it's ridiculously overpower and if testing was done it would have been noticed.

[Kuhndog]

What faction are you playing as?

[Smerka]

What faction are you playing as?

Rome

[Grimbold]

You need to find the cataphract elephants unit in the export_descr_unit file and lower the armor value.

[Kuhndog]

You need to find the cataphract elephants unit in the export_descr_unit file and lower the armor value.

This works too.

[Grimbold]

This works too.

Your advice is totally correct, but that isn't the issue. Seleucid Cataphract Elephants in 2.5 are unbeatable unless you tune down said values. There have been people saying that their armies were entirely wiped out because the elephants just wouldn't die, not even one.

I experienced the issue myself when playing Pontus and the Ptolemaic Empire. Fire arrows and javelins were rained upon them and not a single kill landed. The armor value was something like 36 and i had to tune it down to 25 or smth.

[Kuhndog]

Rome

Okay, this is important when fighting Elephants with Rome: save your pila.

If you're Pre-Marian Reforms:

Use Velites and your regular infantry to throw pila/javelins at the Elephants. Worked wonders in the old days, it should work now.

If you're Post-Marian Reforms:

Use archers with flaming arrows to frighten the elephants, and if the elephants don't rout/run amok, use your pila to kill them.

This is the easiest way to kill them I believe.

Spearmen might be effective, I don't know, haven't tried it.

[Visarion]

and what if you're playing Ptolemies!?

[ur-Lord Tedric]

In the v2.6 testing the HP of all the Elephants has simply been reduced from 3 to 1 (iirc) and just the single factor for the Cataphract ones reduced from 48 to 36.

Simple changes - why not try that. They are still devastating until you deal with them, but they are now easier to deal with.

If those changes are made - it would be great to have additional feedback. I hope that tone will correct me if I've made an error in the above.

[Smerka]

What was the values of the elephants in RS 2.1? because right now all of them are overpower not just the seleucids' elephants, all of them.

[Sertorio]

Dont think so but right now i am playing with said elephants (towered and forest).
Flamming arrows, artilery or even a front assault on an ungaged pike phalanx will deal casualties and more important rout them.
However you can find those values in RS 2.1 EDU file.