Can I use some units in other mods?

[King Kull]

Hey everyone, I must say that this mod is awesome. With all the crazy monsters and the magic wielded by mages, I must say that I am very impressed. I was wondering whether if it is possible, and whether I have permission, to use some of these units in Stainless Steel 6.4? Specifically, I would like to include the Minotaurs and Tzeentch Sorcerers on Discs to my Pagan Scottish faction to battle Civilized Europe.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Here's the basic thing about permissions (thank you for asking, btw ):

If you're using the models for personal use (no public releases whatsoever), then it is ok and you technically don't need permission to use them.

However, if you do plan to release a sub-mod or a mod, you'll need permission from the mod team and it's best to pm them about these things.

[King Kull]

Thanks for the quick reply. I am new to all this and wasnt sure, but I am doing all this just for myself, not for a submod. Thanks for the help

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Good luck with your project, mate

[King Kull]

So far, I am a little confused at how to add new units to add units to Stainless Steel 6.4. For example, in order to try to add Tzeentch Sorcerers on Discs, I did the following...
1) Copy the following text from Warhammer's battle_models file (found in data\unit_models)

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5 Horse
8 fs_horse 0
0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
16 Disc_of_Tzeentch
1.12 3
84 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/Disc_of_Tzeentch_lod0.mesh 121
84 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/Disc_of_Tzeentch_lod0.mesh 1225
84 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/Disc_of_Tzeentch_lod0.mesh 10000
5
7 denmark
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
48 unit_sprites/denmark_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
9 lithuania
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/lithuania_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
8 novgorod
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
49 unit_sprites/novgorod_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
6 norway
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
47 unit_sprites/norway_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
14 teutonic_order
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
55 unit_sprites/teutonic_order_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
0
1

and pasted it into Stainless Steel's battle_models file with the following changes

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16 Disc_of_Tzeentch
1.12 3
84 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/Disc_of_Tzeentch_lod0.mesh 121
84 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/Disc_of_Tzeentch_lod0.mesh 1225
84 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/Disc_of_Tzeentch_lod0.mesh 10000
2
9 lithuania
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/lithuania_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
8 scotland
91 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch.texture
98 unit_models/_units/warhammer/chaos/mount/Disc_of_Tzeentch/textures/Disc_of_Tzeentch_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/lithuania_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite.spr
0
1

2) Copy the following text from Warhammer's battle_models file

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11 TZ_mage_upg
1.1 1
77 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/TZ_mage_upg_lod0.mesh 9999
5
14 teutonic_order
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/teutonic_order_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
9 lithuania
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
45 unit_sprites/lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
8 novgorod
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
44 unit_sprites/novgorod_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
7 denmark
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
43 unit_sprites/denmark_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
6 norway
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
42 unit_sprites/norway_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
5
14 teutonic_order
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
8 novgorod
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
9 lithuania
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
7 denmark
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
6 norway
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
1
4 None
21 Warhammer_Axe_Thrower
16 Warhammer_2H_Axe 1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 1
17 MTW2_Mace_Primary
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

and paste it with the following changes in SS's battle_models file

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11 TZ_mage_upg
1.1 1
77 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/TZ_mage_upg_lod0.mesh 9999
2
9 lithuania
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
45 unit_sprites/lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
8 scotland
84 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg.texture
91 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_upg_normal.texture
45 unit_sprites/lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite.spr
2
9 lithuania
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
8 scotland
80 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage.texture
87 unit_models/_Units/warhammer/Chaos/model/Officers/Lords/textures/TZ_mage_normal.texture 0
1
4 None
21 Warhammer_Axe_Thrower
16 Warhammer_2H_Axe 1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 1
17 MTW2_Mace_Primary
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

3) Copy the warhammer file for all the textures (found in data\unit_models\_units) and pasted it in SS's data\unit_models\_units.
4) Copy lithuania_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite, lithuania_Disc_of_Tzeentch_sprite_000, lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite, lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite_000, lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite_001, and lithuania_TZ_mage_upg_sprite_002 from Warhammer's data\unit_sprites and pasted all that to SS. unit_spirites file.
5) Copy the following text from Warhammer's export_descr_units and pasted it with the addition of "scotland" SS's export_descr_units file

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type TZ mage upg
dictionary TZ_mage_upg
category cavalry
class missile
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_cavalry
banner holy crusade_cavalry
soldier TZ_mage_upg, 6, 0, 1.25
mount Disc of Tzeentch
attributes sea_faring, can_withdraw, cannot_skirmish, incendiary, extreme_range
move_speed_mod 0.5
formation 3, 3, 5, 5, 2, square
stat_health 2, 0
stat_pri 20, 0, poison, 200, 100, missile, missile_gunpowder, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr ap, bp, area
stat_sec 16, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 15, 2, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, 0
stat_mental 24, impetuous, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 8, 18000, 3600, 100, 100, 18000, 1, 80
armour_ug_levels 0
armour_ug_models TZ_mage_upg
ownership lithuania, scotland
info_pic_dir merc
;card_pic_dir allgemein
recruit_priority_offset 20

6) Lastly, I changed 22 serialization::archive 3 0 0 0 0 1197 0 0 in Stainless Steels battle_models to 22 serialization::archive 3 0 0 0 0 1199 0 0 because I added to new units to the file.
After all of these changes, all I get is a black screen when I try to upload Stainless Steel. Can anyone help me and tell me what I am doing wrong? An thanks for all the help in advance and sorry about the lengthy post.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

I'll send you a pm soon

[Spice Master]

So, who exactly should I PM to get permission to work versions of these models into a submod that I want to release?

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Team leader, the modeler of the models you want to use, etc.

[Werebear]

you can use it with credits to CoW team

[Spice Master]

you can use it with credits to CoW team

Awesome. Thank you very much. I will be sure to give full credit for anything I use.

[Fedual]

you can use it with credits to CoW team

This makes me wonder tho why more modders doesnt use your models, you basically have together with TATW and some minor mods the best looking mod out there atm, its to say the least, wierd,

Regards, Fedual

P.S off-topic, im gonna do a shoutout for bretonnia, ive been to the russian forum using google chrome translator, the bretonnian forum section didnt give much info on the matter were the progress of the faction is now but im still hoping for them