Best phalanx units in the game

[Deafening Milk]

Im a huge fan of the phalanx formation (cant remember what the units get called philangies or something) but as a newcomer to EB Ive only started one campaign and thats as macedonia and I was wondering which faction has the best phalanx? And also which has the largest variety of phalanx I tried a search and couldnt find a thread for it and to my disappointment the recruitment viewer doesnt show stats also i have started on h/h does this affect my units stats or ai's in battles?

Obviously i mean only the very long spear units not the shorter spear hoplites

Thanks

Milky

[Entropy Judge]

I was wondering which faction has the best phalanx?

Define "best." I would say Macedon does, since the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi - Macedon's Reformed Heavy Phalanx - has a good AoR and is pretty strong. If you mean "most powerful," then I think it's the Epirotes, as their Elite Pike unit is slightly tougher (+1 Armour) than the Argyraspides (Macedon and Seleukid) and Ptolemaic Elite Pikes.

And also which has the largest variety of phalanx

Seleukids, I think. Hold on ...
Deuteroi - Epeiros/Mak
Pez - Sel/Bak/Ep/Mak/Ptol
Panda - Sel/Saba/Bak/Hai/Pahl/Pontos
Machi - Ptol
Elite - 1 ea for Ep/Mak/Sel/Pont/Ptol/Carthage
Klerou - Sel/Bak/Ep/Mak/Pont/Ptol

I think that's all the real Phalanx units, aside from one-counts like the Greek Phalanx. So ... not the Hai, Saba, Pahlava, or Carthaginians. Epirotes have 4; Macedonians have 4; Seleukids have 4; Ptolemies have 4. So yeah.

to my disappointment the recruitment viewer doesnt show stats

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/
Use that website. Might be a bit clunky, since you can only search by names (so searching for "phalanx" won't get you the Carthaginian Elite African Pikemen, and searching for "pike" will only get you two units, only one of which is an actual Phalanx unit). Still, you can look at the stats for units there, and you can check AoR as well.

also i have started on h/h does this affect my units stats or ai's in battles?

Battle difficulty affects AI units; IIRC, Hard's bonuses are +4 to Melee Attack, Defense Skill, and Morale for all AI units. Campaign difficulty affects AI aggressiveness and extra money.

[andrew.murphy1]

Seleukids, I think. Hold on ...
Deuteroi - Epeiros/Mak
Pez - Sel/Bak/Ep/Mak/Ptol
Panda - Sel/Saba/Bak/Hai/Pahl/Pontos
Machi - Ptol
Elite - 1 ea for Ep/Mak/Sel/Pont/Ptol/Carthage
Klerou - Sel/Bak/Ep/Mak/Pont/Ptol

I think that's all the real Phalanx units, aside from one-counts like the Greek Phalanx. So ... not the Hai, Saba, Pahlava, or Carthaginians. Epirotes have 4; Macedonians have 4; Seleukids have 4; Ptolemies have 4. So yeah..

A very good reply indeed one small caveat though:

The Koinon Hellenon are able to recruit a phalanx unit too (one that has long_pike in the EDU) which is available in their 4th and 5th tier faction barracks. However, they can only be recruited after the March of Time event has occured (the Romani have built an Imperial Palace in Rome).

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From the stats, they seem to basically be a Hellenic version of the Pezhetairoi, albeit they have +1 armour but don't have the hardy (good stamina?) attribute like Pezhetairoi do. Seems pretty logical though, wearing more armour means you'll tire quicker.

EDIT: I've just checked the EDU, the Koinon Hellenon Phalangitai also share a model with the mercenary and normal Pezhetairoi aswell.

[Entropy Judge]

Seriously Entropy, is there something you DON'T know about EB ?

How to use pikes properly

A very good reply indeed one small caveat though:

The Koinon Hellenon are able to recruit a phalanx unit too ...

Actually, I did mention it. Right after the list, when I said "one-counts like the Greek Phalanx," I was referring to the Koinon Hellenon Phalangitai - though you're right, I should have included them in the list (particularly since I included the Carthaginians). Also, looking back at that post, I made another mistake - the Macedonians should have 5 Pike units, not 4, as I neglected to count the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi in that list.

From the stats, they seem to basically be a Hellenic version of the Pezhetairoi, albeit they have +1 armour but don't have the hardy (good stamina?) attribute like Pezhetairoi do. Seems pretty logical though, wearing more armour means you'll tire quicker.

They also have -2 Morale compared to the Pez.

[andrew.murphy1]

Actually, I did mention it. Right after the list, when I said "one-counts like the Greek Phalanx," I was referring to the Koinon Hellenon Phalangitai - though you're right, I should have included them in the list (particularly since I included the Carthaginians). Also, looking back at that post, I made another mistake - the Macedonians should have 5 Pike units, not 4, as I neglected to count the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi in that list.
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Ahh, apologies, I didn't understand that part of the sentence and skipped over it. I'm guessing that phrase is American English then? I'm from Britain.... just checked with my gf and she hasn't heard of it before either

EDIT: and the "Greek Phalanx" bit I presumed meant the phalanx that the Hellenes of old used in combat.

[tarem]

How to use pikes properly

But why? Have you tried using a different exe then the vanilla?

[Durnaug]

EJ is "the shiz". Not only knows his stuff but types it up in a fun and informative manner.

PS currently doing a KH on H/M and deliberately not using the KH phalanx (pikemen) to allow for more mobile "tictacs".

[Deafening Milk]

Ok well thats a fantastic reply cheers id give you rep but im unsure how to do so

[postm00v]

Seriously Entropy, is there something you DON'T know about EB ?