Look at our world today - Capitalism needs to go

[GreatAugustus]

Why do people here believe in the free market? Why do people here believe in class society?

EVERYDAY I see people in poor backgrounds struggling to survive! Some can't afford to miss a day because they don't have money. This usually leads to stress, depression, anxiety. This money others usually have have lying around in bank vaults gathering dust for future investments that never happen, amusement, habit or as a symbol of prestige.

EVERYDAY you and me can't last a day without someone somewhere trying to sell you something you don't need! Letters flow through our doors. Insurance deals and sales promotions. Phones waste your time with spam messages and sales calls. Computers are hacked with virus adware span and fraudulent spyware. What a waste of time and resources on both sides.

EVERYDAY the government struggles to balance even a regulated market. Corruption runs too high even in the wealthiest of countries. Time and resources have to be spent. Spending cuts have to be put in place which in turn limits social security and our quality of life.

Embrace the idea that we can bring the wealth to the people EQUALLY, instead of people fighting for their own share of the wealth INEQUALLY. So one day we can replace MONEY with BARTER, CORPORATIONS with CHARITIES, MARKETS with PLANNED ECONOMIES. CAPITALISM with ANARCHISTCOMMUNISM!!!!!!!

[Slaytaninc]

Compare the world's living standards now versus 1950.

[Vítor Gaspar]

Compare the world's living standards now versus 1950.

The one that was achieved with Social Democracy, that tamed Capitalism?

OK.

[Caelifer_1991]

A barter system? Really? *facepalm*

[Andreius Pretorianus]

the thing is equality is impossible.The Communist Doctrine is based on peoples equalitty.But it s a fantasy.I mean ,why should a cripple make as much money as a normal man?In fact,can the cripple make more production than a normal man?Think about it,it s unfair.

But still,I agree ,capitalism,is the code word for slavery.Capitalism is worse than communism i ll give you that.And indeed ,at least in Romania,under communism the society did reach a somewhat degree of equality.

[GreatAugustus]

Compare the world's living standards now versus 1950.

And it can get better still. We have the know how now it needs to be put into practice.

A barter system? Really? *facepalm*

Why not?

the thing is equality is impossible.The Communist Doctrine is based on peoples equalitty.But it s a fantasy.I mean ,why should a cripple make as much money as a normal man?In fact,can the cripple make more production than a normal man?Think about it,it s unfair.

The cripple finds life a little bit harder to live from everyone else so he should be entitled a handicap no?

I understand what you mean but people have got see past that. EVERYONE will benefit. No one suffers. But more importantly, the wrong people don't suffer.

An anarchist-communism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

What makes you think that???

[Vanoi]

What makes you think that???

Anarchy and Communism are the complete opposite of each other.

[Enemy of the State]

Why not?

Because economic calculation is impossible without a price system.

[GreatAugustus]

Anarchy and Communism are the complete opposite of each other.

Not really. Charities and worker unions will control the means of production rather than the state.

[Enemy of the State]

At least try to refute the economic calculation problem or I will not take you seriously. How could you possibly know how to allocate resources without price signals?

[hellheaven1987]

Not really. Charities and worker unions will control the means of production rather than the state.

That is not anarchism.

[DaVinci]

Anarchy and Communism are the complete opposite of each other.

Wrong, the one who says that has no clue about early anarcho-movements. And still many anarcho's see socialist and/or communist models (not the real-socialist/communist model, which we have seen ie. as Soviet Communism) as way to an anarchistic ideal-state as end-goal states-system ... what might be an utopic idea, but i personally prefer an utopist with ideal-goals vs. a right-winger reactionary as discutant about political themes.

[Vanoi]

An anarchist-communism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[justicar5]

An anarchist-communism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

nope, it's the 'left deviation' (as opposed to Stalin's Communism-in-one-country) aka Anarcho-Communism, it was one of the earliest strands of anarchism, being involved in the Paris Commune with the Communists before the split of the ideologies over methods rather than eventual aims (Both in theory aim for no central government and a classless society)

[Enemy of the State]

nope, it's the 'left deviation' (as opposed to Stalin's Communism-in-one-country) aka Anarcho-Communism, it was one of the earliest strands of anarchism, being involved in the Paris Commune with the Communists before the split of the ideologies over methods rather than eventual aims (Both in theory aim for no central government and a classless society)

Of course anarcho-communists exist, but I find the term rather oxymoronic, they strive for a planned society without any planners. The communist utopia is not something that emerges spontaneously. It must be planned, people must be forced to obey.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Of course anarcho-communists exist, but I find the term rather oxymoronic, they strive for a planned society without any planners. The communist utopia is not something that emerges spontaneously. It must be planned, people must be forced to obey.

it's possible to imagine a society without coercion where only a neglible minority choose not to live in the global commune.

Not that I'd ever want to live in a society without coercion.

[Squiggle]

it's possible to imagine a society without coercion where only a neglible minority choose not to live in the global commune.

Not that I'd ever want to live in a society without coercion.

I actually cant imagine it. Perhaps you could lead us on a thought experiment?

[OCWife]

it's possible to imagine a society without coercion where only a neglible minority choose not to live in the global commune.

But when that "negligible" community becomes much richer than the avg guy in the commune, the commune's population is dissatisfied, the "negligible" community gets labelled the "1%", etc, etc... The only way is to coerce everyone to do it.

Do you know why it is necessary for a communist society to censor their media? To keep their people from seeing those outside the commune who are living richer; otherwise the commune's population is dissatisfied and revolt.

[Andreius Pretorianus]

Charisties and worker unions must be owned by people.And I guess that the leadership in this charities and worker unions must be democratic.Democracy = corruption.So it s the same as capitalism.

The only regime that has proven to be good,is dictatoriship.If the dicator is a patriot,the nation will thrive.If he s a traitor,the nation will collapse.

[GreatAugustus]

At least try to refute the economic calculation problem or I will not take you seriously. How could you possibly know how to allocate resources without price signals?

Charisties and worker unions must be owned by people.And I guess that the leadership in this charities and worker unions must be democratic.Democracy = corruption.So it s the same as capitalism.

The only regime that has proven to be good,is dictatoriship.If the dicator is a patriot,the nation will thrive.If he s a traitor,the nation will collapse.

All solved through a computer:

Central resource management will monitor what people need when they need it. Then it will count and redistribute available resources accordingly. Production will run according to this to replenish the reserve. Perishable items can be manufactured locally.