Historical accuracy won't happen

[Nikitn]

It is getting boring seeing realism-fan boys dominating half the threads here.. Listen guys, sorry to disappoint you, but Rome 2 will be NOTHING like the Rome 1 mods. The target-consumers of CA aren't historians, but ordinary people who just want to experience the stereotypical Rome, Greece, Egypt etc.

So instead of whining about historical accuracy and getting ignored by CA, how about lobbying instead for modding tools, a good AI (<--- this one is REALLY important) and strong gameplay? That way CA might actually start listening to the community.


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IMO: I would like to conclude by simply saying that CA should base the game on real history, while not hesitating at all with making unhistorical changes if it would improve gameplay. 99% of the market care about extreme realism about as much as about it as people here care about July 2012 New York high-street fashion for women, so I consider it a win-win. Now, if CA added proper modding tools then also the history-buffs would get their ultra-realistic clone armies all wearing white cloth, as well.

[Dominici]

Total war games are about making your own empire and history if you want historical accuaice make a mod, or go play a RPG.
Nikitn is right.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I am someone that really enjoyes realism and historicity , but I understand that rtw is first of all a game so realism should bend to gameplay reasons if this is needed.... Shogun 2 was not perfectly historically accurate but served two scopes :

1. A fun game to play ( for me the best so far of the wholetw series )

2. A starting point to learn more of real historical events that will bring people to google around a. Lot more to know what really happened and how was it like...



Toomuch precision nerd fanatism would just ruin the game and end like certain mods that pretend to teach you history failing both in entertainement and actually historical realism.


So what I say is let CA do their job as they did great so far ....

[Anibal at portas]

AI,historical accuracy and realism.

[Durendalv2]

I am someone that really enjoyes realism and historicity , but I understand that rtw is first of all a game so realism should bend to gameplay reasons if this is needed.... Shogun 2 was not perfectly historically accurate but served two scopes :

1. A fun game to play ( for me the best so far of the wholetw series )

2. A starting point to learn more of real historical events that will bring people to google around a. Lot more to know what really happened and how was it like...



Toomuch precision nerd fanatism would just ruin the game and end like certain mods that pretend to teach you history failing both in entertainement and actually historical realism.


So what I say is let CA do their job as they did great so far ....

I concur, well said.

[HigoChumbo]

Total war games are about making your own empire and history if you want historical accuaice make a mod, or go play a RPG.
Nikitn is right.

They are not necessarily incompatible with each other. If they made a Warhammer game, no one would complain about the historical autencity of the game, but many people here -in my opinion- fail to see that total war is not just a gameplay concept a la Starcraft, a big chunk of the fun is brought by the immersion that comes from diving into a different epoch and feeling like you are a roman general leading your legions for the first time into the mysterious woods of Germania.

Taking that into account... a reasonable degree of historical authenticity contributes to that feeling of immersion, and that's basically why there are so many whiners in TWC.

[Acroneos]

It is getting boring seeing realism-fan boys dominating half the threads here.. Listen guys, sorry to disappoint you, but Rome 2 will be NOTHING like the Rome 1 mods. The target-consumers of CA aren't historians, but ordinary people who just want to experience the stereotypical Rome, Greece, Egypt etc.

So instead of whining about historical accuracy and getting ignored by CA, how about lobbying instead for modding tools, a good AI (<--- this one is REALLY important) and strong gameplay? That way CA might actually start listening to the community.

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Exactly the same opinion as mine!

[Princeps]

historical realism and detail are not irreconcilable with gameplay and fun.

[Aanker]

I'm not interested so much in historical accuracy as I am in historical atmosphere. Gameplay comes first, and history should primarily serve its purposes, and provide a good and solid background for the game.

A huge problem I had with rage posts on E:TW was the fact that people preferred to complain about wrong hats, colours and coats, instead of the actual gamebreaking bugs that sometimes popped up.

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

I'm not interested so much in historical accuracy as I am in historical atmosphere. Gameplay comes first, and history should primarily serve its purposes, and provide a good and solid background for the game.

A huge problem I had with rage posts on E:TW was the fact that people preferred to complain about wrong hats, colours and coats, instead of the actual gamebreaking bugs that sometimes popped up.

Im With You on This one

[RandarKal]

I'm not interested so much in historical accuracy as I am in historical atmosphere. Gameplay comes first, and history should primarily serve its purposes, and provide a good and solid background for the game.

A huge problem I had with rage posts on E:TW was the fact that people preferred to complain about wrong hats, colours and coats, instead of the actual gamebreaking bugs that sometimes popped up.

This

[Asgaroth]

Mike Simpson :

"There's a constant group that push us towards more and more historical accuracy," he said, no doubt alluding to the theatrics of Shogun 2, which weren't to everybody's taste.


Both they AI-gampley & historical acurracy-realsim are important.

Mike Simpson :

"We have a fight between our internal geekiness and the desire to put together a Hollywood spectacle, so those two ends of the spectrum fight against each other and we end up, hopefully, with a happy medium somewhere in between."

[Aanker]

Mike Simpson :

"There's a constant group that push us towards more and more historical accuracy," he said, no doubt alluding to the theatrics of Shogun 2, which weren't to everybody's taste.

Vanilla Shogun 2 certainly looked and felt like it was in the right era, and that was good enough for me. Mods can deal with the details.

[Bucle_CT]

Vanilla Shogun 2 certainly looked and felt like it was in the right era, and that was good enough for me. Mods can deal with the details.

Totally agree.

What would the modders life of if vanilla games were totally accurate and so??

I, personally, prefer a more stereotypical-looking game. That'll make future mods worth to make and download.

[AqD]

Totally agree.

What would the modders life of if vanilla games were totally accurate and so??

We'd just make inaccurate mods out of it

[AqD]

It is getting boring seeing realism-fan boys dominating half the threads here.. Listen guys, sorry to disappoint you, but Rome 2 will be NOTHING like the Rome 1 mods. The target-consumers of CA aren't historians, but ordinary people who just want to experience the stereotypical Rome, Greece, Egypt etc.

So instead of whining about historical accuracy and getting ignored by CA, how about lobbying instead for a good AI (<--- this one is REALLY important) and strong gameplay? That way CA might actually start listening to the community.

A little more realism would make the game much better if correctly designed, and also add more depth in strategies and tactics - so it'd be entirely different games for different factions, and different timeframes.

For instance, several different periods can be made on Roman factions, for players to upgrade/go through the early and late republican and then imperial periods, with different sets of troops and tactics available, and also different strength and weakness. Even better would be different paths for upgrade/evolvement for the players to choose: such as republic/monarch government, and new-colonies/client-kingdom for surrendered enemies - with actual diplomacy for the latter, or partially-independent cities inside your territory. And let barbarians and steppe peoples to adapt other cultures, which would add a lot more fun!

[neoptolemos]

realism will also make moders life a little bit easier....

[neoptolemos]

The notion that "the mods should deal with details" is nonsense.
The game ought to be as accurate CA can make it and enjoyable in playing so everybody will play it and feel content.
You win all people by focusing on both aspects.
Otherwise i would prefer not to buy the game until a descent effort (if because nothing in certain in moding) to impose realism and historicity would be made....

[Trentest0]

Total War, for me, is about taking a real historical situation and then making it my own. The only time I need the game to be historically accurate is on Turn 1. After that turn, the game goes in the direction I choose.

Historical accuracy is, therefore, of little concern to me. Flaming Pigs were fun anyway.

As the OP said, it would be a better investment of time to ask for modding capability.

[Sebashaw]

Total War, for me, is about taking a real historical situation and then making it my own. The only time I need the game to be historically accurate is on Turn 1. After that turn, the game goes in the direction I choose.

I agree!