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    ..according to our dear mr Putin.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18732949

    Russia's parliament is set to debate a bill requiring non-governmental organisations engaging in political activity and receiving funding from abroad to register as "foreign agents".

    That phrase would have to be included in all the relevant NGOs' online and printed materials.

    The Kremlin says the bill is needed to protect Russia from outside attempts to influence internal politics.

    But critics say the authorities are using the law to try to crush dissent.

    Under the bill, foreign-funded NGOs involved in politics would also have to undergo financial audits and issue twice-yearly reports on their activities.

    Failure to comply would be punishable by heavy fines or even a two-year prison sentence.

    'Outside influences'

    The bill is expected to pass a first-reading vote on Friday. To become law it requires two more readings, then the approval of the upper house (Federation Council) and President Vladimir Putin's signature.

    Mr Putin's United Russia party, advocating the change, dominates the lower house (State Duma). The only party opposing the bill in the Duma is A Just Russia, with just 64 seats out of 450.

    But the head of the presidential council for human rights, Mikhail Fedotov, asked for the Duma debate to be postponed. He said there should first be a full-scale public discussion on the bill.

    United Russia claims foreign governments are using NGOs in Russia as cover to bring about political change.

    Vyacheslav Nikonov, an MP for the party and one of the bill's authors, said: "There is so much evidence about regime change in Yugoslavia, now in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, in Kosovo - that's what happens in the world, some governments are working to change regimes in other countries."

    "Russian democracy needs to be protected from outside influences," he added.

    The bill's critics dismiss that as Kremlin paranoia, and say the government is seeking to stifle civil society and whip up a "spy scare".

    The term "foreign agent" carries a Soviet-era negative taint in Russia, correspondents say.

    It was a foreign-funded NGO, Golos, which presented evidence of widespread vote-rigging in Russia's recent parliamentary and presidential polls.

    At the time, the government accused the United States of using NGOs to try to influence the situation in Russia.

    Election concerns

    On Thursday the director of Golos, Liliya Shibanova, warned that election monitoring could be considered a political activity according to the bill.

    "If that is the case, it's a judicial matter. It's also a matter for the international community. If this isn't examined thoroughly by the Constitutional Court we'll have to go to the Strasbourg court [of human rights]," she said in a debate chaired by Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin.

    The head of the Moscow Helsinki Group, a leading human rights NGO, also condemned the bill.

    Lyudmila Alekseyeva said the group would "never, under no circumstances, register as a foreign agent".

    "My organisation has to operate with foreign funding because the Russian government will never give it any money," she said.

    Rafael Saakov of the BBC's Russian Service, who attended the debate, says there are reckoned to be more than 230,000 NGOs in Russia, the vast majority of which have nothing to do with politics.

    Russian opposition activist Boris Nemtsov said the bill appeared to pose a serious threat to the work of Golos, Amnesty International and the anti-corruption group Transparency International.

    "Since corruption, falsification and police abuses are foundations of the current regime, combating these organisations which expose the authorities' actions is a major, cornerstone feature," he said.
    So.. i haven't frequented the mudpit for some time for obvious reasons (those that have been around long enough would know) but this article just tickled me so much and reminded me of this dear old place that i just had to post up and ask for the opinions of those that attend this section. Especially those Russians i once had such a great time 'discussing' the politics of their motherland with.

    Many of the proposals in this soon-to-be-reality bill (lets not be coy, if Putin wants it through it goes through unless he thinks it to be imprudent at this time to crush democracy further) go against the Russian constitution. the same constitution with which he shielded the guy that murdered a certain someone on british shores. Surely if one can so haphazardly tear up the nation's constitution one can also find a way to deport said murderer to Britain to face criminal justice?

    But i digress...

    Who believes this proposed bill is truely an attempt to stop some Bond epidemic in Russia, who believes it is to "protect Russia's democracy" ?
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    Putin has already sought to restrict political protests, so this isn't surprising tbh
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    Eats, shoots, and leaves.

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    I think Condottiere just got censored by Putin.
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    Not surprising considering that Sweden has been accused of influensing or controlling the opposition in Russia. All part of the conspiracy against Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Not surprising considering that Sweden has been accused of influensing or controlling the opposition in Russia. All part of the conspiracy against Russia.
    The Swedes haven't forgiven the Russians since the Battle of Poltava.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    The Swedes haven't forgiven the Russians since the Battle of Poltava.
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    I for one welcome Russia's new Tsar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman View Post
    I for one welcome Russia's new Tsar.
    Indeed. His Grand Majesty Vladimir I, Grand Autocrat & Emperor of All the Russias.

    We pray to thee....

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    It's not like Putin is wrong anyways. I find it difficult to believe that Western NGOs promote a positive idea of his presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    It's not like Putin is wrong anyways. I find it difficult to believe that Western NGOs promote a positive idea of his presidency.
    Can the Russian people not decide for itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    Can the Russian people not decide for itself?
    Yea, and they chose Putin and his methods...

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    Sorry, I am out of touch with russian politics. Is it some law like Foreign Agents Registration Act of US of A?
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    The FARA appears to be nothing more than an aid for prosecutors that would try foreign agents. I mean, nobody expects foreign intelligence agents to walk into an office and register.

    What Russia is trying to do is a lot broader, and a lot more worrying. But of course not surprising. Russia is becoming a worrying place, overall, under Putin. Like everyone should be paying attention and then worrying. And I do not say that lightly.

    The complaint about NGOs is particularly sad considering that is how Russia has dealt with its significant image problem post Soviet times. And really nobody does it better. They have created an entire new industry out of telling people in their own countries that Russia is great and that they are all being oppressed. That is exactly what RT is.
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    Russia dares to pass bill similar to what America has had on the books since the 1930's. Russia's foreign minister even says the bill's language and principle is inspired by the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Americans with blind-hate start foaming at the mouths and cry bloody murder. Meanwhile, US lawmakers threaten to pass the Magnitsky Act to sanction Russian officials. Of course, no one stirs about that.

    Everything sounds in order.
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    They want to direct the stream of his urine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    the same constitution with which he shielded the guy that murdered a certain someone on british shores. Surely if one can so haphazardly tear up the nation's constitution one can also find a way to deport said murderer to Britain to face criminal justice?
    If Britain didn't harbor criminals like Berezovsky or Zakaev, I'm sure Putin would consider it.

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    I'm wondering what nation enjoys foreign influence in politics and permits it to operate unscrutinized.

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    Oh hi Carach long time no pull out my own hair when talking to you!

    You know these bills against foreign funded NGOs would seem a little heavy handed if it werent for the fact that British Agents got caught with using a fake rock on Russian soil to receive data.http://crasstalk.com/2012/01/british...-a-true-story/ Those agents were involved with Russian political NGOs. So you know that kinda of adds fuel to the fire in a way pouring 5 liters of petrol on a candlestick does.


    By the way, in the United States (leader of democracy, free-world, milk-shakes and ponies) it is illegal...absolutely illegal for a politician to receive funding from abroad in any way shape or form. Al Gore came across the same problem in that 2000 election in the distant past when he had to give back money donated by a Monastery in Nepal (I think). Of coarse loopholes exist and they are exploited. I am sure UK gets pretty bent out of shape when foreign states try to interfere in internal UK politics? I would view it as a breach of sovereignty.

    As well, these Russian NGOs should stay away from foreign agents because 1) it takes away from their valid points when they are seen as tools of a foreign government in the eyes of the public and 2) IT'S TREASON!
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    Nice, so how are Russians reacting to this Russian McCarthyism?
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