modding campaign map

[Muizer]

Hi guys,

We are looking into the supertexture stuff, see what we can do.

Another thing I would like to say is that the way campaign mpas are made is changing completely for Rome II. Anything you make using Shogun 2 will not work in Rome II. There is no point starting campaign map projects now for it.

That's a pity, but I suppose it is good to know now rather than in a year's time. Are you considering mod support for Rome II as part of the development process?

[MathiasOfAthens]

Thanks Lusted and sounds good. Hoping its changing for the better (for modders). Spartan I think Lusted has a good point, give up this dream to create a world map for Shogun II by the time your done ETWII will be out. Focus on adding regions. Make a Japan with a 500 regions.


Rep to Lusted for looking into it.


@Muizer I think its a safe bet there will be a battle map editor to Rome II, TED.

[Biggus Splenus]

I think I was the one who pointed Lusted this way, or he found it himself.

And yes, as Muizer said, will we be getting modding support for Rome 2 on launch or will it come further down the track? Hopefully not to late though, like Shogun 2.

[spartan_warrior]

It's good news that we'll possibly get some support for supertextures, as then new maps should be able to be made.

Anyways, I always pretty much suspected that the Rome 2 map will be structured differently. Mainly with info we have so far about how regions are going to be managed, but given that the game will still run on a modified version of the warscape engine it must still have some similarities (though I doubt Lusted is willing to divulge anything about this ), it must still in some rudimentary form be built around polygon models and a heightmap. I was never so naive as to think that I would create something in Shogun and then simply drop it into Rome 2 when it comes out and expect it to work. My goal is just to create the basic geography, heightmap, and supertexture, not any regions, trade routes, or roads (except in so far as what is required to make it run in S2). That way I would have some sort of base information available if/when mod tools are released for Rome 2, and even when that time comes and it turns out that Rome's map is 100% different well then so be it.

But I won't be giving up working on a European map, as I have wanted to make one since Empire, even if its just for fun and serves no real purpose. I have nothing against working on a detailed map for Shogun as well, but since I am not very knowledgeable about what regions to create for the Sengoku period and don't have the interests in researching them someone will have to gather that information for me if they want a detailed map of Japan done.

[Herr Doctor]

I have nothing against working on a detailed map for Shogun as well, but since I am not very knowledgeable about what regions to create for the Sengoku period and don't have the interests in researching them someone will have to gather that information for me if they want a detailed map of Japan done.

Perhaps you will be interested to cooperate with one of the big mods here (Radious, Tenka, Seki) to bring a new map for the game, may be specialised for certain date scenario? I think only good can come form such cooperation.

[General George S. Patton]

Hi guys,

We are looking into the supertexture stuff, see what we can do.

Another thing I would like to say is that the way campaign mpas are made is changing completely for Rome II. Anything you make using Shogun 2 will not work in Rome II. There is no point starting campaign map projects now for it.

But will the rome 2 campaign map be moddable

[spartan_warrior]

But will the rome 2 campaign map be moddable

I highly doubt that the Rome 2 campaign map will be moddable, at least not on release anyway. If CA releases the equivalent of Shogun 2's assembly kit then it probably will, but I wouldn't expect that until after all the expansions are out, which would likely be a year and a half after the initial release, and that is if they even decide to. But I am optimistic that they will, as the demand for mod tools will be extremely high for that game as it is what most people have been wanting for years now.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Makes sense the RomeII campaign map will be heavily modified considering the province system will change dramatically from past titles.

[Pazu the Kitsune]

Hi guys,

We are looking into the supertexture stuff, see what we can do.

Another thing I would like to say is that the way campaign mpas are made is changing completely for Rome II. Anything you make using Shogun 2 will not work in Rome II. There is no point starting campaign map projects now for it.

It seems that CA is as eager to see a modded Shogun 2 campaign map as we are

Im keeping my eye on this thread, very important stuff, a moddable Shogun 2 campaign map would be earth shattering

[other mitch]

Focus on adding regions. Make a Japan with a 500 regions.

ditto, maybe not 500 but having the provinces split in half would be awesome. I know that Spartan_Warrior may not want to stay editing japan but is a tutorial possible for someone else to work on it?

[spartan_warrior]

ditto, maybe not 500 but having the provinces split in half would be awesome. I know that Spartan_Warrior may not want to stay editing japan but is a tutorial possible for someone else to work on it?

I have already said that I won't mind working on a Japanese map, but I don't have any knowledge of which provinces or settlements should be added, and I don't have the time to research them. If CA updates the assembly kit to allow for editing the supertextures then I will probably approach one of the major mods to see if they want to new map done, but until the supertextures are sorted out there is no point yet.

[other mitch]

I have already said that I won't mind working on a Japanese map, but I don't have any knowledge of which provinces or settlements should be added, and I don't have the time to research them. If CA updates the assembly kit to allow for editing the supertextures then I will probably approach one of the major mods to see if they want to new map done, but until the supertextures are sorted out there is no point yet.

my mistake...

[Col. Tartleton]

Didn't Crux3D figure out how to mod the supertexture like a year ago?

[spartan_warrior]

Didn't Crux3D figure out how to mod the supertexture like a year ago?

Yea but it doesn't work properly for the supertextures in Shogun 2, just Empire and Napoleon. The purpose of the supertextures was changed slightly for Shogun and thus when trying to make one to work with the new format it gets all screwed up, and since Crux3D is not around any more it can't be updated. But anyways Lusted has said they are looking into the supertextures, so hopefully they will include something with the official tools.

[Col. Tartleton]

Yea but it doesn't work properly for the supertextures in Shogun 2, just Empire and Napoleon. The purpose of the supertextures was changed slightly for Shogun and thus when trying to make one to work with the new format it gets all screwed up, and since Crux3D is not around any more it can't be updated. But anyways Lusted has said they are looking into the supertextures, so hopefully they will include something with the official tools.

Awww... I thought I was going to be a hero.

Well the ball's in Jack's court now.

More time to plan my mega mod.

[Dave Strider]

If I had a suggestion, for a European map, don't go grand-scale with the first attempt. Make a couple smaller, regional maps to work up experience and learn tricks.

I'd recommend a large map of the Crimea, for a possible Crimean War mod?

[MathiasOfAthens]

Ideally, imo, a regional map with similar factions like ancient Greece and Italy. Basic Hoplite warfare.

[Biggus Splenus]

Ideally, imo, a regional map with similar factions like ancient Greece and Italy. Basic Hoplite warfare.

Sounds great to me

[spartan_warrior]

I have successfully stripped the campaign map down to just four provinces, so now I have a relatively simple base to make some experiments on.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Its sort of funny as I haven't edited the trees file or any of the markers so when you zoom in you can see some forests and other features below the water, it's like some terrible earthquake hit Japan and only Shikoku remains

Also, in regards to making a regional map of say Greece for an encient Greek mod, it won't ever happen, unless someone wants to rent a mocap studio to make a ton of new animations, not to mention whole new sounds would need to be made, models for buildings and a whole bunch of other things. You will never see such a mod for Shogun 2, the sheer logistics and man hours for such an endevour would be insane.

[Biggus Splenus]

I have successfully stripped the campaign map down to just four provinces, so now I have a relatively simple base to make some experiments on.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Its sort of funny as I haven't edited the trees file or any of the markers so when you zoom in you can see some forests and other features below the water, it's like some terrible earthquake hit Japan and only Shikoku remains

Also, in regards to making a regional map of say Greece for an encient Greek mod, it won't ever happen, unless someone wants to rent a mocap studio to make a ton of new animations, not to mention whole new sounds would need to be made, models for buildings and a whole bunch of other things. You will never see such a mod for Shogun 2, the sheer logistics and man hours for such an endevour would be insane.

I thought the best before me was referring to a mod for Rome 2, in any other case crap that idea, because you are right.