The Black Book of Liberalism

[Reimu Hakurei]

The Black Book of Liberalism -
or, a Nazi's defense of Communism

Let me clarify.
I'm a fervent anti-Communist myself, but what has been going on in Hungary for the past 20 years made me reconsider things.
I consider Capitalism and Liberalism worse than Communism.
Even Stalinism is better than modern-day Western Liberalism.

You are not mishearing me.
And let me explain why.

Ever since Liberalism became the dominant political ideology in Hungary since the fall of Communism, several irreversible processes have been started. The media is silent, and speaking about this is "politically incorrect", even though it is going to have a very perceptible effect on the country's future, and will also significantly influence the future of our children.

Ever sine 1981, the ethnic Hungarian population of Hungarian declined by a total of 700 000, if we count in population increase for balance.
Without the 300 000 ethnic Hungarian immigrants, the population decline would be 1 000 000.
Meanwhile, the number of minority (especially Romani, gypsy) population increased from 500 000 to 1 000 000.
Therefore, Liberalism decreased the ethnic Hungarian population by 1 500 000.
No war, plague or famine in Hungary has ever had that high amount of victims.

Just to compare:
Communism was responsible for the death of between 250 000 and 350 000 Hungarians, which is essentially nothing compared to the 1 500 000 victims of Liberalism.

The media is silent.
No one dares to speak the truth - this is a genocide.

The United Nation considers these cases types of genocide too:
- To force a group of people under certain life circumstances which put the group under the threat of partial or full destruction in the process
- Policies which are aimed to prevent births among a group of people

Ever since the Fall of Communism, there have been 1 500 000 abortions and 65 000 suicides in Hungary (keep in mind, I do consider abortion murder,I'm pro-Life),
The total population of Hungary (which also includes the minorities) is just shrinking below 10 000 000, but the number of actual ethnic Hungarians does not reach 9 000 000 anymore.

Currently, the percentage of ethnic Hungarians among newly born infants is estimated to be between 50% and 70%.
The current fertility rate of Hungary is 1.28, which is almost the half of the replacement level of 2.11.
The fertility rate of Hungary was 2.73 in 1955.

It is estimated that by 2050, the total population of Hungary (which also includes the minorities) is going to be below 7 000 000, but only 5 000 000 of those will be actual ethnic Hungarians.

This is going to be the first time in history where a civilization disappears without any visible reason, during peace-time.

Clearly, this is a genocide. Don't even try to deny it, liberals and self-proclaimed "anti-racist"s.
At least we weren't under the threat of extinction during the Communist times, I have to give them credit for that (despite being an anti-communist)

And this problem exists outside Hungary too.
Among all of Europe, the native indigenous population of Europe is decreasing, while the non-European population is increasing.
What do you say now, Liberals and self-proclaimed "anti-racist"s?
Genocide doesn't have to be fast. It doesn't have to happen under several weeks or months - it can happen during decades too.
Genocide doesn't have to be flashy - it can be gradual too.
Genocide doesn't have to be done at the point of a gun - birth control and consumerism causes ten times as much population decline as wars, so it qualifies as genocide too.

Liberalism is the worst, the most satanic ideology that has ever existed.
Even Stalin was a saint compared to all modern-day liberal snakes.
Heck, even Mao and Kim Jong-Il were angels compared to the liberal snakes.
And you are hearing this from a self-proclaimed anti-communist's mouth. If I hate those guys, and say that they are angels and saints compared to Liberalism - you know very well how negative is my view of Liberalism. Even the words "hate" and "loathe" are extremely weak to describe my negative feelings for Liberalism.

And do you know who are the ones truly to blame?
Us.
Because we let ourselves to be led into the trap.
We believed that after the oppression of Communism, things can only improve.
But no. They got a thousand times worse, literally.
But why are we still serving this system which clearly wants to kill us all?
Because we are too weak-minded to resist.
Because we are too overly entertained and timid to actually take up arms against the murderous regime.

So in the end, it's us who are the ones to blame, for being stupid enough to believe their lies, for being lazy enough to overthrow them, for being ignorant enough to ignore their crimes against us.

[atheniandp]

National Socialism, Liberalism (political and economic) and Socialism/Communism and all the ideologies present in the contemporary spectrum are doomed by the same principle: the idea of progress.

With the idea of progress forming the base of human systems the world will eventually become 'more fair, more just, more equal, more wealthy'. Communism through Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism was imposed and radical. But Marx was correct; socialism will eventually dominate through a gradual process, akin to the emergence of liberalism in Britain. Nationalism economic liberalism are indeed strong but I suspect they won't last the next few generations. All of the political ideologies are materialistic. That is why they are all doomed.

[Reimu Hakurei]

Then we shall hope that the people will awake in time, before the system they serve murders them all through birth control and consumerism.
I believe that the future lies in Monarchism and Agrarianism, to revert to the stable system(s) we had before Enlightenment and the rise of Absolutism.

To work in a factory or sit in an office all day long is unhealthy and unnatural.
But to work in agriculture is not only natural, but also helps you to be self-sufficient.
And that is the key: self-sufficiency.
We can do it. Or at least, we could, if we didn't have a government which is forcing us to abandon all what is natural.
Hungary has always been an agrarian country. Even Szálasi Ferenc (the leader of the Arrow Cross party, the Hungarian equalivent of the German NSDAP) said that Hungary's main strength lies in agriculture, and most be an agrarian country.

[Derpy Hooves]

And this is because of liberalism how?

[Reimu Hakurei]

And this is because of liberalism how?

All Liberal states are Consumerist at the same time.
Traditional family values are being abandoned, instead, we get Urbanization,and they password is "Consume! Consume!"
Not only this is bad for the environment, but also the the whole humanity.
We don't even have real families anymore.
Women refuse to have children, simply because they don't have enough money to imitate the lifestyle of the upper class, buy luxury clothes, etc.

People in Africa live under much worse conditions, but they still manage to have a decent amount of children - they aren't going to be extinct any time soon, believe me that.

Under Communism, families had decent amount of children too.
Why not today, under Liberalism?
The answer is right before you. Because Liberalism and Consumerism always walk hand-in-hand, never to abandon each other.

This disgusting Western Consumerist mentality is what truly plagues all of Europe, not only Hungary.

[AqD]

All Liberal states are Consumerist at the same time.
Traditional family values are being abandoned, instead, we get Urbanization,and they password is "Consume! Consume!"
Not only this is bad for the environment, but also the the whole humanity.
We don't even have real families anymore.
Women refuse to have children, simply because they don't have enough money to imitate the lifestyle of the upper class, buy luxury clothes, etc.

People in Africa live under much worse conditions, but they still manage to have a decent amount of children - they aren't going to be extinct any time soon, believe me that.

And this is bad for whom? Certainly not for those who decided not to have kids, because they believe the absence of kids leads to be better life for them.


So, how can one thing that is considered good to most persons individually, somehow be bad to the whole humanity, which is just a group of individuals? Is this even logical? Or do you believe that your countrymen should live according to your ideal, and failure to achieve that is bad?

Talking about Africa, don't you think it's stupid to keep breeding even when you're living in hell and there is no way out of it? Why should we continue the families or species for the sake of continuation itself?

[hellheaven1987]

Lets be honest, we all secretly know anarchism is the best.

[Menelik_I]

Lets be honest, we all secretly know anarchism is the best.

Lets be honest, this is a D&D discussion about ideologies without any sense of proportion between a State-Party and a system of political/cultural alternation, lets just make fun and have some icecream

[clone]

Lets be honest, this is a D&D discussion about ideologies without any sense of proportion between a State-Party and a system of political/cultural alternation, lets just make fun and have some icecream

i agree.this thread was doomed from the beginning

Col. Tartleton you may be be right

[Humble Warrior]

I dunno. I`ve never really equated liberalism with consumerism. But I do believe that too much Liberalism and Consumerism\capitalism does lead to a kind of erosion of what`s important in life. People lose the plot. I`ve seen this more and more and strangely enough it starts with the brainwashing of the young. Games are one element of it as once upon a time games entertained but also educated, now they just mindless drip feed `entertainment` doing nothing for the mind. Now I`ll agree that rampant capitalism has caused this in conjunction as growing greed and rampant competition has made some companies choose to simply drop all pretence at helping young people develope positively and just give them `what they want` while using their lowering brain activity to chain them to these systems.

The raw nature of Capitalism cares not for anything save itself and will even destroy others for it. Of course, really crafty capitalism will enslave people so it gets a constant intake of cash all the time and suck off them like a vampire. Make the people think they must have the product, through making them jealous via advertsing propaganda, then suck the blood out of them slowly until the next product they `must have`. It`s happening right now and games are the 1st victim and companies are making good use of things like the internet for this.

I`m hoping that soon Governments will see the danger and stamp down on this kind of thing before it gets worse.

But yes, there is an erosion of basic values happening. One has to reign in too much Liberalism and capitalism and create a careful balance.

You cannot have no borders, you cannot have total freedom, no matter how nice that sounds, not in a world of Humans and greed.

[hellheaven1987]

You cannot have no borders, you cannot have total freedom, no matter how nice that sounds, not in a world of Humans and greed.

Why not? I don't know animals have border too.

[Humble Warrior]

Why not? I don't know animals have border too.

Animals do have borders and even their own laws. Very strong ones. Just watch a documentary on animals for a while and you`ll see.

[EmperorBatman999]

I dunno. I`ve never really equated liberalism with consumerism. But I do believe that too much Liberalism and Consumerism\capitalism does lead to a kind of erosion of what`s important in life. People lose the plot. I`ve seen this more and more and strangely enough it starts with the brainwashing of the young. Games are one element of it as once upon a time games entertained but also educated, now they just mindless drip feed `entertainment` doing nothing for the mind. Now I`ll agree that rampant capitalism has caused this in conjunction as growing greed and rampant competition has made some companies choose to simply drop all pretence at helping young people develope positively and just give them `what they want` while using their lowering brain activity to chain them to these systems.

The raw nature of Capitalism cares not for anything save itself and will even destroy others for it. Of course, really crafty capitalism will enslave people so it gets a constant intake of cash all the time and suck off them like a vampire. Make the people think they must have the product, through making them jealous via advertsing propaganda, then suck the blood out of them slowly until the next product they `must have`. It`s happening right now and games are the 1st victim and companies are making good use of things like the internet for this.

I`m hoping that soon Governments will see the danger and stamp down on this kind of thing before it gets worse.

But yes, there is an erosion of basic values happening. One has to reign in too much Liberalism and capitalism and create a careful balance.

You cannot have no borders, you cannot have total freedom, no matter how nice that sounds, not in a world of Humans and greed.

You talk about how games are now just drip-feed entertainment with no educational value on a gaming forum.

Oh, the irony.

Edit: Oh wow, I'm late.

But anyway, complex thinking isn't neccesarily a strength of you can't do anything to fix the problems you think solutions for. If you can't enact your solution, then that makes it torture.

As for you calling the population reduction "genocide," is there any proof that the liberal governments of Europe are working to literally reduce their populations? I've heard that in France the government there (which is Liberal, isn't it?) is trying to get French families to have more children. I think the problem is the general culture shift, sex is now for pleasure and not to create offsping as a result of birth control being readily available and culturally acceptable. Chemicals in the environment and poor diets are probably also part of the isuse. Its not the liberal governments' faults.

Finally, assuming you are a full adult, why don't you get off this gaming forum and try to find a woman to spend your life with and raise a good solid family of three or four children.

[Reimu Hakurei]

As for you calling the population reduction "genocide," is there any proof that the liberal governments of Europe are working to literally reduce their populations? I've heard that in France the government there (which is Liberal, isn't it?) is trying to get French families to have more children. I think the problem is the general culture shift, sex is now for pleasure and not to create offsping as a result of birth control being readily available and culturally acceptable. Chemicals in the environment and poor diets are probably also part of the isuse. Its not the liberal governments' faults.

The liberal government is still guilty for not stopping it.
At least the Nazis and Communists did something against it with their state-planned family system. Western Capitalists did nothing to prevent that certain cultural shift.
Were they too blind to see the problem until it was too late?

[Vanoi]

The liberal government is still guilty for not stopping it.
At least the Nazis and Communists did something against it with their state-planned family system. Western Capitalists did nothing to prevent that certain cultural shift.
Were they too blind to see the problem until it was too late?

Its not their job to stop it. Sorry, but forcing people to have children is oppressive. People do still believe in the concept of freedom.

[EmperorBatman999]

The liberal government is still guilty for not stopping it.
At least the Nazis and Communists did something against it with their state-planned family system. Western Capitalists did nothing to prevent that certain cultural shift.
Were they too blind to see the problem until it was too late?

Everything just gotta be blamed for something...

[Squiggle]

The liberal government is still guilty for not stopping it.
At least the Nazis and Communists did something against it with their state-planned family system. Western Capitalists did nothing to prevent that certain cultural shift.
Were they too blind to see the problem until it was too late?

There wasnt a demographic issue when the nazis were around. ex Communists states have lower birth rates than liberal ones, so do proclaimed communist states like China, and that one is on purpose. Try again.

[clone]

There wasnt a demographic issue when the nazis were around. ex Communists states have lower birth rates than liberal ones, so do proclaimed communist states like China, and that one is on purpose. Try again.

yeah but due to communist regimes were dictatorship people didnt emigrate in them

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Meanwhile, the number of minority (especially Romani, gypsy) population increased from 500 000 to 1 000 000.

BS. According to Hungary's own census, Gypsies make up just 1.9% of the population - barely 190,000 total. The rest of Hungary's "minorities" are from bordering countries, and live, guess where, on the borders. Hungary's heartland is an almost completely homogenous country with neglible immigration from countries that don't border it.

There are far more Hungarians living in other countries than non-Hungarians in Hungary. Nearly 10% of Slovakia is Hungarian. Do you think Slovakia should deport them all?

And I don't see why you care if "ethnic Germans" or whoever are living in Hungary. They've been there centuries, and aren't prone to crime or anything any more than the average Hungarian.

Even the words "hate" and "loathe" are extremely weak to describe my negative feelings for Liberalism.

I think we've found your problem Hungaris. A chronic lack of empathy that all nazis must possess.

[Reimu Hakurei]

BS. According to Hungary's own census, Gypsies make up just 1.9% of the population - barely 190,000 total. The rest of Hungary's "minorities" are from bordering countries, and live, guess where, on the borders. Hungary's heartland is an almost completely homogenous country with neglible immigration from countries that don't border it.

1. Out of the 1 000 000 gypsies in Hungary, only those 190,000 identify as gypsy when asked in the census.
However, unofficial estimates put the gypsy population of Hungary as between 5% and 10% of the total population. Visit Hungary instead of trying to rely on official data. I've seen too many gypsies in real life to believe they make up only 1.9% of the population.
2. I have no problems with ethnic Germans. They are nicely integrated and work well. Why should I hate them? Heck, even the Slovak and Romanian (not Romani) minorities in Hungary are mostly integrated, speak Hungarian, and barely even identify with their homeland anymore. There are 30 000 people of Armenian descent in Hungary too, but today they all speak Hungarian, and identify as Hungarian.
3. When I say "minority" without putting an ethnicity behind the word "minority", I usually mean non-white minority, as in gypsies. Not only gypsies are completely alien to Hungary and all of Europe - despite having been lived here for like 700 years - but many (if not the majority) of them are also criminals. And no, this is not racism, this is the truth. They are the tumor of not just Hungary, but pretty much all of Eastern Europe (probably with the exception of Russia and Poland). Ask any other Hungarian how does he feel about gypsies. Or heck, ask a Romanian, Slovak or Serb. This is pretty much the only thing Hungary and her neighbors would agree on.

I think we've found your problem Hungaris. A chronic lack of empathy that all nazis must possess.

"A chronic lack of empathy for anything that wants to systemically destroy my people" would be a better way of putting it.
Thus, please learn to distinguish idiotic neo-Nazi teenagers from the real thing: actual genuine National Socialists (short: Nazis).