New Rig

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

Hey guys i just got my new pc:

CPU - i5 2500k -3.30 6mb lga 1155
GPU - VGA ASUS GT610 Silent 2GB DDR3 DVI\HDMI
Ram - 4GB
Monitor - Samsung 21.5" LED VGA Full HD

so tell me can i play shogun 2 on high\ultra or medium\high? about the ram i intend to add more 4GB soon so no prob about that, but im concerned with the gpu will it be enough ?

[isa0005]

pretty sure you can

[Adreno]

high should be allright.. ultra might not bet the smoothest with big battles

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

Well High is good enough for me and i can always overclock the gpu a little bit , thanks for answering guys.

[AngryTitusPullo]

The GPU is kinda weak I think.

[Stryke]

The 610 is an entry level card (it's a rebranded 520 basically) so it is not really designed for gaming as such, I can't even find any gaming benchmarks in reviews for it and the synthetic ones show it's WAY below even the previous generation of cards. You'll most likely have to be on much lower settings/resolution to get smooth play.

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

That is exactly whats concerning me i cant find in reviews and im afraid way bellow to what i need, i really dont want to get my pc with a crappy GPU from the beginning

[Stryke]

That's the problem even with pre built desktops that are marketed as "Gaming" PCs, they usually have a massively under powered GPU, good CPU (which isn't as important) and then a bunch of other components that have good marketing numbers on them but are poor quality.

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

indeed tell what if i make my pc like this? is a little bit more expensive but it may make for it

CPU - i5-2400 3.1GHz
GPU - Radeon HD 7750 1GB GDDR5

is it worth the price ?

[Condottiere 40K]

Normally, for AMD you should aim for x770, whether 5770, 6770 or 7770.

And anything below GDDR5 should be avoided for modern games.

[The Dutch Devil]

Thread moved from Shogun II general discussion to The Basement.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

that GPU you have is weak, so weak i doubt the game would run well even on the lowest settings,

to run Shogun 2 look for a 7770 minimum from AMD / ATi, GTX 560 from NVIDIA, or 650 or better once it or the 660 releases

essentially you will want a $150-200 GPU to properly play these games at good settings, that 610 just isnt going to cut it.

to be quite blunt your GPU is so terrible i would wager the Integrated GPU on AMD's cpus is faster aka AMD/s APU line of CPUs will be faster than that card, hell the Intel GPU with your Sandy Bridge CPU is probably AS fast, your going to need a new graphics card,

even the ancient 8800GT from 6 years ago is faster than what your using and ive seen those cards thrown AWAY their so weak.

the Desktop GT 610 is directly comparible to the Notebook GT 610 as you can see its performance is atrocious.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...M.63759.0.html

Its a $45 gpu added to the desktop so it can be called a gaming rig, etc when it clearly is not.

just a did a quick check the IGP on your sandybridge CPU is only SLIGHTLY slower than your NVIDIA GPU, the IVY BRIDGE cpu lineup from Intel that has now replaced Sandybridge aka your current i5, is fast aka HD 4000 on IVY beats the GT610, HD 3000 on Sandybridge roughly is slightly slower. you GPU is only on par with todays budget entry lvl onboard graphics.

essentially at this point you could run Shogun 2 at the lowest settings and Rome Total War at high settings, most modern games are gonna look worse then older grames with graphics turned up when it comes to the Total War series.

[Condottiere 40K]

TBF, I run Shogun 2 on an nVidia 9800 at HD Ready 1360x768 (I guess), so in theory you could get away with a g92b chip, though the occasional lag occurs. I'm testing it out so I can take it along with me on the next holiday. The 1055 rig stays behind.

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

lol yes ive been comparing the 610 with other graphic cards and i just realize the mistake i was about to make im thinking in replace the i5 2500k for an i5 2500 cause its basically the same and is cheaper and replace the graphic car for an radeon hd 7770 1 gb or a gtx 570 thanks alot for the help i was really close to screw up XD

[Crazyeyesreaper]

2500k offers overclocking 2500 non k doesnt

in melee battles you will still lag in Shogun 2, as even a heavily overclocked 2500k cannot offer 30fps minimum in battles, so keep that in mind CA's coding really is just that terrible still lol. but yea for stock purposes the 2500, try and get a 2gb GPU if possible if your running 1920x1080 if your resolution is lower than that then 1GB is still okay.

7850 2GB or 560 Ti 2GB would be preferable for running Shogun 2, but a GTX 570 in most other situations is indeed faster. you should also look into the GTX 560 Ti 448 Core edition its a 570 with a few less cores and it should be cheaper, but offers the same performance as said GTX 570.

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

well i will probably have to go with the 7770 cause of the budget but i may get the 2 gb version, about the cpu the guy who is gonna assemble my pc said that intel cpu have a safety system so people dont overclock it to much so tell me it will really compensate to get the 2500 k?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

hes full of

2500k with a cheap $25 hyper 212+ can be clocked safely to 4.5 GHz on all cores, thats a 1.2 GHz higher than stock when at full load just fine, It can be done using TURBO mode which means at idle the CPU clocks down thus keeps temps low and power usage low but when in full use it will clock up to said overclocked speeds

2500k = 3.3 GHz Quadcore
Turbo On default (its going to clock up no matter what)
3.7 GHz on 1 core
3.6 GHz on 2 cores
3.5 GHz on 3 cores
3.4 GHz on 4 cores

essentialy with Turbo Off your 2500k is only 3.3 GHz
with Turbo ON which it is by default its really a 3.4 GHz quadcore and if only using a single thread it will push up to 3.7 GHz

overclocking with Turbo would let your cpu clock up from ideal 1.6 GHz up to 4.5 Ghz on all four cores. It easy to do.

Now with that said, the CPU will THERMAL throttle if it gets to hot to save the chip if possible but thats why they make aftermarket coolers to keep it oh i dont know? cool... maybe even so max temps on the 2500k are in the 90c range, on a cooler like the hyper 212+ temps would be in the 70c range while overclocked, so your aware the STOCK cooler will get that hot or worse running STOCK speeds so faster and yet still cooler running.

it sounds to me like the guy building your rig doesnt know what hes talking about or hasn't familiarized himself with the hardware.

and a 7770 2GB isnt a bad card its a Mid Range GPU you should be able to enjoy games but you wont be able to max them.

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

humm thats what im starting to think XD i told him that to build a pc for games i would probably focus more on gpx he said i was wrong and with a gt610 and an i5 2500k i would be good to play, so or he was the one wrong or i totally misunderstood him.
i was asking something but i might be better asking you i think a 21.5 " 1920x1080 to be a little to much for what i need so if i get a 18,5" 1366x768 i would still get a decent screen and better performance from the pc right?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

768 is small and dont underestimate how small an 18 inch or so screen is you really should be look at at 21 inch,

1366x768 is rather small

Total War: Shogun 2 for example minimum resolution is 1024 x 768
Recommended 1280x1024 or higher

total pixel count
1024 x 768 = 786,432 pixels
1280 x 1024 = 1,048,576 pixels
1366 x 768 = 1,049,088 pixels
1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

higher resolution does mean games will be a bit slower but you can always drop resolution to say 1600 x 900 etc if truly neccessary to improve performance but the one thing you cant do is make a 1366 x 768 18" screen bigger

most web page designs are for roughly 720p give or take meaning in the near future for proper web surfing etc the monitor res your looking at is the minimum you should have, buying the minimum means you need to upgrade more often to stay current, considering todays age of HD content, get a proper screen, hell next generation of TVs is coming soon offering 4k res most people which is 4096 x 2304 when in reality the next jump will be 2560 x 1440 that will be the next res for TVs etc, making 1080p middle of the road and leaving 1366 x768 and 1280x720 as the low end which will eventually phase out as we move ever forward with technology. Simply put never by low end you just end up screwed. 1080p will be around awhile and its cheap enough that theirs no sense cutting cost to go with less. In the near future many smartphones tablets etc will have higher resolutions at extremely small sizes. Hell some 12" tablets have a resolution of 1280x800 nearly equal you what your looking at in a screen 6" larger lol trust me get a good monitor. And im rambling at this point .... hunger will do that.

going from 1080p to 768 is $40 difference and the screen offers HALF the resolution and worse pixel density etc a good resolution with a smallish size aka 21.5 at 1920x1080 offers higher pixel density good pixel density helps in terms of offering a cleaner image.
Acer 1920x1080p screen $129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009365

Cheap 1366 x 768 screen $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009350

a very good 1080p screen
ASUS $145 if you send in the Mail in rebate and do it right its $135 essentially your not saving much and getting a raw deal with lesser monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236100

read this
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/G...7770_OC/6.html

and realize every game in that review is run at the highest possible settings, turning things off like Anti-Aliasing which is at 4x as well as motion blur etc(makes me sick personally) will add to your frame rate you can also just drop settings down a notch etc etc. get a good screen it will last awhile, and in general its a bit less wasteful.

That said if you have to drop the CPU down grab an i5 2300 and get a 7850 you'll get better gaming out of that overall long term than a 2500k + HD 7770

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

ok then i will stay with the Samsung 21.5" and still have a nice pc far from the best but still good
that would be great but the hd 7850 is 100euros (about 126 us dolar) more expensive than the hd 7770 which is a lot even if i drop the cpu.
and sorry if im being annoying but tell me from these which one you think is the best (i found them about the same price):
-VGA ASUS RADEON HD7770 2Gb DDR5 DVI DisplayPort - HD7770
-VGA ASUS RADEON HD6870 DirectCU 1GDDR5/HDMI - EAH6870 DC/2DI
-VGA ASUS ENGTX560 DC 1GB DDR5 2XDVI/1XHDMI - ENGTX560 DC/2DI
i believe the hd 6870 is the best but a pro opinion would be great XD
and again thanks for the support