With Fire and Sword 2 (Огнем и Мечом (II) 2: Total War ) !!!!RELEASE!!!! v 0.9.2 BETA

[komatozz911]

wiciu1111, i've seen it before)) great video, but some models are old...

[komatozz911]

Some new screens:






imperial musketeers and mercenaries swiss pikemen

[KamilW]

@Apps

You want a source? I'll give you one. The reason I didn't give you a source is the following: from the beginning you made it clear that almost every picture or source on the Internet is fantasy, therefore my opinion about cossacks is fantasy. So why should I give you a source? So you can say again it's all fantasy and your source is real? C'mon! What do you think about what Vladyvid said? He said you and I are both right, but he didn't understand what I've said. Reading his post, it seems he was thinking I said that ALL cossacks should look like peasants. I didn't say that. Let's be clear before we go further. I'm saying that there were cossacks with nice clothes and cossacks who dressed like peasants (poorly). You're saying they all dressed in a fairly nice way and didn't look like peasants. Vladyvid is saying exactly what I've been saying the whole time. So, according to him, my 'fantasy' is correct. So what, he's wrong too?

Here's your source, from a forum about history: http://lastinn.info/systemy-i-dyskus...-obrazach.html. You know Polish right? And since you've read quite some lines sinces the beginning of this conversation, I'm sure you have enough time to look for a picture of cossacks on that forum. But why do I bother. Everybody knows you're going to say those pictures are fantasy. Yeah, sure!

But what the hell, here's another one, quite reliable if you ask me: http://www.rp.pl/galeria/428213,2,491745.html

And another one, from the website of a university: http://www.puls.uni.lodz.pl/numery/23/kozacy.html

While you're at it, take a look at this picture (it's a modern one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Za...ment,_1990.JPG

Just pure logic. If that's the Zaporozhian Cossacks movement, I'm sure they know the best how their forefathers dressed, right?

BOTTOM LINE: So, like I said. There were cossacks who had uniforms, some of them quite nice, some of them old, dirty and poor. Some cossacks had very rich clothing as well. But many cossacks didn't have uniforms like we like to call it. They wore poor simple clothes, more or less like peasants. Perhaps a little better or perhaps a little worse. Don't be so stubborn, man. Do the math. Do you really think every cossack had the money to buy a nice or regular or even an old uniform? If your answer to that is "yes", then I know with whom I dealing with and this conversation is over to me. If your answer is yes, then you're more stupid than a horse's backside.

And why the hell are you talking about aliens? And what does the Ogniem i Mieczem extract has to do with any of this? And the last paragraph of your post... I don't understand it. So before saying you're so clever, smart ass, learn to write English properly. And if you can't, then go have discussions with someone else in another language, not in English.

@Vladyvid

First of all, Vladyvid, you didn't understand what I've been saying the whole time. You said that Apps and I are both right, but you didn't understand what I've said. Reading your post, it seems you were thinking I said that ALL cossacks should like peasants. I didn't say that. So let's be clear before we go further. I'm saying there were cossacks with nice clothes and cossacks who dressed like peasants (poorly). Apps seem to be saying they all dressed in a fairly nice way and didn't look like peasants. So you're basically saying exactly the same what I've been saying the whole time. So, according to you, I'm the one who's right.

Secondly, the mod team has done a terrific job indeed. Please don't talk to me like I'm all negative about this mod. I'm not! Look at some posts from the past about this mod (different thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ars+of&page=18).

I've congratulated them with their great work. I've praised their work. I said I loved the first OiM and that I'm looking forward for the mod to be released. I was very positive about many models. All positive things. And now someone has said something bad about a model, I said that person is right, and I'm the bad guy now, a guy who doesn't appreciate the team's hard work? Damn, this world is cruel!

@komatozz

Very nice units there! Really, honestly! Much better than the cossacks or hussars in my opinion .

[Vladyvid]

I can be wrong I don't really care. I shut up now, this mod is not my concern, I have my own to worry about.

[danny X]

now this is what i call a cossack:



it was well known that when the horse was tired, the cossack used to carry it, so could you please make the models like this.

All of you who are arguing about what cossacks looked like, you're all wrong im afraid, im right, this is what cossacks really looked like and even how they really used to wield their swords, so all of you please stop arguing now, because:

[AppS]

KamilW

Here's your source, from a forum about history: http://lastinn.info/systemy-i-dyskus...-obrazach.html. You know Polish right? And since you've read quite some lines sinces the beginning of this conversation, I'm sure you have enough time to look for a picture of cossacks on that forum. But why do I bother. Everybody knows you're going to say those pictures are fantasy. Yeah, sure!

Pułkownik kozacki wg Beauplana, Setnik wg Beauplana - in fact - picture XVIIIst (Kalinskij for Rigelman`s book~1780)
Kozacy rejestrowi - unknown painter early XVIIIst - near Mazepa time
rest - modern picture

But what the hell, here's another one, quite reliable if you ask me: http://www.rp.pl/galeria/428213,2,491745.html

Kozacy zaporoscy – typy ludzi i uzbrojenia - modern picture

And another one, from the website of a university: http://www.puls.uni.lodz.pl/numery/23/kozacy.html

first - 1880-91 - Repin - 100y. later after last Z-Sich.
second - zaporozian cossack --- Kalinskij for Rigelman`s book - late 18st more look - http://litopys.org.ua/rigel/rig34.htm

While you're at it, take a look at this picture (it's a modern one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Za...ment,_1990.JPG
Just pure logic. If that's the Zaporozhian Cossacks movement, I'm sure they know the best how their forefathers dressed, right?

Not right.
If we miss the point that most people in the world do not know how their great-grandfather's name was some 100 years ago, and appeal to the memory regarding the events of 300-400 years ago is simply naive: what concerns image - it's just overall styling for political manifestation

people who real know how their forefathers dressed:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

BOTTOM LINE: So, like I said. There were cossacks who had uniforms, some of them quite nice, some of them old, dirty and poor. Some cossacks had very rich clothing as well. But many cossacks didn't have uniforms like we like to call it. They wore poor simple clothes, more or less like peasants. Perhaps a little better or perhaps a little worse. Don't be so stubborn, man. Do the math. Do you really think every cossack had the money to buy a nice or regular or even an old uniform?

I'm losing the thread. %)))
Course was poor and the rich. And they looked at differently. But in addition to clothing is definitely influenced the way of munitions and delivery to the site of the battle. as a consequence of the same team to find a very different will be difficult.

In the late Hetmanat those who were poor and therefore did not have the right outfit, or a good horse for long journeys, were sent to household work. Can be seen in the war years of 1735-39 - someone is going to the Crimea, and on horseback with a gun, and someone with a scythe to cut hay for the needs of the General Artillery.

poor cossacks look like peasants:
typical clothing - the rollout of brown cloth, sandals (postoly), an inexpensive hat trimmed. Unhistorical except embroidery (vishivka) on the shirt - it's a late item, the 19 th century.
What is wrong?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[KamilW]

people who real know how their forefathers dressed:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yes, they too have historical clothing. But like always, there was a variety. Not everyone wore the same thing.

And they looked at differently. But in addition to clothing is definitely influenced the way of munitions and delivery to the site of the battle. as a consequence of the same team to find a very different will be difficult.

I don't understand anything of what you're saying here above.

In the late Hetmanat those who were poor and therefore did not have the right outfit, or a good horse for long journeys, were sent to household work. Can be seen in the war years of 1735-39 - someone is going to the Crimea, and on horseback with a gun, and someone with a scythe to cut hay for the needs of the General Artillery.

Yes, you're right. But are you saying everyone who didn't have proper clothing or a horse were sent to household work? I'm sure that's true for a part. But don't you think that during for example the Chmielnicki Uprising, almost all men went fighting? I'm not saying ALL, I mean ALMOST every man who had a weapon, even a hay fork. It was an uprising, so many 'cossacks' joined Chmielnicki (I don't have to tell you that, you know that). A large part of those who joined Chmielnicki, were poor cossacks who didn't have money for a 'uniform'. But that doesn't mean they didn't go to war! And the fact that they didn't have money for a uniform, doesn't mean they didn't have a weapon. Maybe they had a gun from their grandfather, who knows? I'm quite positive that many cossack men went fighting, not only the ones who were the real fighters, the real mercenaries. The 'regular' men fought too.

poor cossacks look like peasants:
typical clothing - the rollout of brown cloth, sandals (postoly), an inexpensive hat trimmed. Unhistorical except embroidery (vishivka) on the shirt - it's a late item, the 19 th century. What is wrong?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

What do you mean by that? That the model is unhistorical or historical? Sorry man, your English isn't very good. Do you mean that ONLY the vishivka is historical or what? I really don't get it. I think what you're trying to say is that model is very historical except for the vishivka, which is unhistorical for the period because it's from the 19th century. If this is what you mean, well... It took me 5 minutes to figure this out.

I'm cool with this model, but why aren't there poor cossack models (like the one you showed) without hats or with white shirts, baggy trousers? Is that unhistorical?

[SHREDDER]

EURO Militia

without hats or with white shirts, baggy trousers? Is that unhistorical?

yes.

And I see no reason to continue to discuss it here.

[KamilW]

yes. And I see no reason to continue to discuss it here.

Well, I do. And with all due respect, I'm not asking you.

[SHREDDER]

"Городовые Казаки" - how does this translate, I do not know)))
Russian

[komatozz911]

kinda "cossacks militia"

[KamilW]

Very good translation, but they did more than just garrison a settlement and keep order.

[King Of Toast]

The mod is looking good so far. Good job! =)

[King Of Toast]

rep+

[atheniandp]

Out of curiosity, are you guys going to port some Mount and Blade animations as well?

[komatozz911]

what kind of animation?

[atheniandp]

The unit animations, particularly the fighting or use of shields. I was never a big fan of how M2TW units looked hunched over all the time in battle. But no big deal, really, just curious.

EDIT: Or how about tree/vegetation models? Castle wall textures are also really nice in Mount and Blade, I would love to see them in a mod.

[komatozz911]

Well, i already wrote that know we make base of mod - units, map, campaigns, 2d, something else - we'll think about after

[karaislam]

i liked this too much.time for reinstalling m2tw.new mods are about to come.

[atheniandp]

Guys, please use contemporary/historical portraits in your mod. I really enjoyed them in the first Ogniem i Mieczem mod for RTW. It's very immersive seeing the historical art and look of the nobles of the period. I would very much enjoy historical artwork for events and the like as well, if possible.