With Fire and Sword 2 (Огнем и Мечом (II) 2: Total War ) !!!!RELEASE!!!! v 0.9.2 BETA

[KamilW]

Shredder, don't be a jerk. This is a thread to discuss everything that has to do with the mod. So every aspect, model, anything from the mod can be discussed. You guys really can't take any criticism, can't you?! Your work is the best and that's it, right?! Can you even read English? Well, if you can, try to understand what people write before posting something. Is anyone asking to change the model? NO! I myself said that it's NOT like I'm unhappy with the WFaS II models. I'm only giving my opinion. You're free to disagree with me of course. It may be your models are better. Perhaps the ones from the Deluge are indeed brighter. What can I say, I like bright models .

But, seriously. Perhaps your model has better quality. But overall I think the ones from the Deluge are better. Like I said, your hussar models lack the textile carpet on the horses's back (important element of the horse if you ask me), the models from the Deluge are more detailed. You can't argue with that. And again, nobody is asking for you to change your models. I'm merely expressing my opinion. Jeez, I didn't even start the discussion about hussars. I'm again shocked by your attitude. Normally, when modders hear things like "this models is not that good, it should be like that" or something else, they mostly say "OK, we'll try to improve it in later versions because now we have a deadline and there's no time, but we'll surely look at it." You guys actually say (and this is not the first or second time) "The models we made are great, the best in the world, and we're not going to change it; moreover, we don't care what you think." Great!

[ggggtotalwarrior]

Shredder, don't be a jerk. This is a thread to discuss everything that has to do with the mod. So every aspect, model, anything from the mod can be discussed. You guys really can't take any criticism, can't you?! Your work is the best and that's it, right?! Can you even read English? Well, if you can, try to understand what people write before posting something. Is anyone asking to change the model? NO! I myself said that it's NOT like I'm unhappy with the WFaS II models. I'm only giving my opinion. You're free to disagree with me of course. It may be your models are better. Perhaps the ones from the Deluge are indeed brighter. What can I say, I like bright models .

But saying that someone's work is "terrible" and giving an example of another person's work that you think is better is not rude?

[KamilW]

But saying that someone's work is "terrible" and giving an example of another person's work that you think is better is not rude?

This is unbelievable! Already said: before you post anything, read! I never said their work was terrible. First of all, I was NOT the first one to bring up this subject. Secondly, I was NOT the first one to say that the Deluge models are better. I simply acknowledged someone else's opinion. And no, it's not rude. It's called giving feedback. But of course if you're the kind of person that can't cope with negative feedback, then you're certainly going to think someone who's giving negative feedback to be rude.

I'm really starting to think now that some people don't understand English, really. And that's causing more problems than we should have had to begin with.

Yes, I also think that the screenshots from the Deluge aren't of great quality, and it's therefore difficult to judge which models are better. Nonetheless, based on what we have, I can agree that WFaS models have a better quality. But, the ones from the Deluge are much more detailed, more beautiful to look at. And I'm finding it hard to believe that you can't face that. Your models may be more beautiful, but the hussars from the Deluge are more detailed. Why can't you acknowledge that?

And then the attitude. What's up with that, huh? You're posting here, giving information about your mod. But you're not listening to your fans at all. I don't understand you guys! So many things have been already brought up in the other thread (the old one) and several times the mod team said "no, we're not doing this, we're not doing that". Fans were giving suggestions, was giving feedback, information to make the mod better. And our dear Russian friends react this way: "No, no, no, no." Why? Because we think the way we did, that's the best way. So why the hell do you make a damn thread about all this? Tell me, please! Don't make a thread, don't listen to fans, don't listen to feedback! Just make the damn mod and then post the link. Seriously! I've talked to many many mod teams, followed many discussions, have given lots of feedback for other mods and I've never come across a mod team that reacts this way.

[tomySVK]

Great to see the continuation of the great mod and excellent work! I really enjoyed the books and later the first mod - I spent many hours playing it. I wish good luck to team.

[KamilW]

Yes, I'm also filled with anticipation for this mod. I didn't read the books (I have some of them but I'm not much of a reader) but I have all films and I have seen them. I strongly recommend them before playing the mod, or doing some reading, even on Wikipedia. If this mod is as good as the one for Rome TW, we'll be in for a treat!

[komatozz911]

KamilW, we said our work is best? No, we told that our model of hussars is better, its our opinion, we have this right, like you of course, its ok if different people has different opinion... may be some other models have better quality its ok too.. what i saw about hussars its lower quality textures and probably less poligons in models, screen wasnt good to see more... if you like it more - go ahead, its your right, i respect your opinion but have different, and if i would agree with you in something i would tell that i do something later to improve, but if i disagree i wouldnt...

[atheniandp]

I like the Deluge models but you can clearly see the quality of the WFaS models are better. Perhaps the skins of The Deluge look more pleasing because they are glossy/reflective rather than flat/matte and have more gold decorative features.

I think the WFaS models blend better with all the rest though. All of the skins have a dark quality to them so having a bright unit all of a sudden will make them look slightly out of place.

There is always room for submods though! Right?

[SHREDDER]

"The models we made are great, the best in the world, and we're not going to change it; moreover, we don't care what you think."

In general, you got it right

This topic is to demonstrate the results of our work.

[HoulaHoup]

where is download link?

[atheniandp]

The mod isn't finished yet.

[komatozz911]

Yes, hussars its strongest cavalry with most powerful charge... morale system in testing now.... its difficult to say whats gonna be in final..

[AppS]

from topic
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...389585&page=19

Sory for my English ))

KamilW

For example, every soldier has a czapka. Why? Why don't you represent some of them, make a few models without czapka, but with that typical cossack haircut

Why? Because (quote by ethnograf Oleksa Voropaj)
"In Ukraine there are beliefs that go outdoors bare-headed honest man to sin. As people evolved proverb: "No hats - thief walks." According to our custom to go bare-headed only at funerals and at church. The room on the contrary, stepping threshold should drop cap."

(ORIGINAL: В Україні існує вірування, що ходити під відкритим небом з непокритою головою гріх для чесного чоловіка. В народі виробилося прислів'я: "Без шапки мов злодій ходить". За нашими звичаями ходити з непокритою головою можна лише на похоронах та біля церкви. В хаті ж навпаки, переступаючи поріг, треба скинути шапку.)

[wiciu11111]

Thank you komatozz. I`m really glad about that, Husaria schould be the strongest cavalery in game :-)

[SHREDDER]

[paradamed]

Beautiful, high quality units!

[atheniandp]

Yes, I am blown away by how great this mod will be. Simply fantastic.

[wiciu11111]

Hehe the mod looks better than Shogun or empire really great job and model of husaria is great:-)

[sihill]

Hello guys. Im new in this forum, its my first message. Rly sorry for my english.

Komatozz and Shredder:
This mod is ** awesome (Rly rly GOOOOOD JOB), but theres one problem for me and other people. Husaria. Your hussars arent looking good in my opinion. Dont be angry but husaria looks like "biedna pierdolona jazda" (by A. Sapkowski). I mean they looking poor and hmm.... dont professional.
You know what i mean
You may change it very easy:
1. Add flags on their lances. Flags were very important and there are on the historical hussars images
Rolka Sztokholmska from beginning of XVII century:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...kholmska_2.jpg
2. Change the color of... kontusz? uniform? (this material under armor) on bright red
http://s3.flog.pl/media/foto/643603_...a-polska--.jpg
like that
3.Wings like "S" its not a good idea. And the feathers should be white at all, not black with white.
http://www.muzeumwp.pl/dictionary/sk...e,282,duzy.jpg
its a best image of hussar wing what i've found. And wings must be big. Husaria with small wings looks funny.
4. Horses models are too dark, and u add some grey, white and black horses, no only brown?

Its the all what i must say about your hussaria, i hope i help you.

PS: Witam Rodaków!

[SHREDDER]

[wiciu11111]

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