UK-back report finds Israel breaches UN rights of children

[hellheaven1987]

A UK government-backed report has accused Israel's security forces of regularly breaching the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC).

A delegation of senior lawyers visited Israel and West Bank and analysed the effects of Israel's military judicial system on Palestinian children.

They found "undisputed facts" showed six UNCRC articles had been breached.

The lawyers urged Israel to address differences in the way Israeli and Palestinian children were treated.

Israeli military law is applied to Palestinian children detained by the Israeli authorities in the West Bank because it is under military occupation.

However, Israeli children - including those living in Jewish settlements on occupied land in the West Bank, which are considered illegal under international law - are subject to Israeli criminal and civilian law.

Currently, the maximum period an Israeli child can be detained without charge is 40 days. For a Palestinian child the period is 188 days.

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Well, after repeating violating international laws, it is not a wonder why international community finds Israel untrustable. I wonder why international community does not just send a peacekeeping force to end all the violations Israel committing in West Bank now, or at least impose harsh economical sanctions to teach rogue states what would happen when you breach international laws and try to be a daredevil criminal.

[Bolkonsky]

Now, I'm not against being nice to children, but the UN Rights of the Child is utter bullcrap anyways. I don't see the reason for a peacekeeping committee because of Israel. Maybe when Hamas stops terrorizing Israel, should someone step in. People need to stop declaring a million rights for everything, and actually focus on the issues at hand - dethroning Hamas, getting rid of terrorism, etc. Terrorists aren't gonna listen to declarations of rights.

[hellheaven1987]

Now, I'm not against being nice to children, but the UN Rights of the Child are utter bullcrap anyways. I don't see the reason for a peacekeeping committee because of Israel. Maybe when Hamas stops terrorizing Israel, should someone step in.

The question is that the violation is committed mostly in West Bank, which is controlled by Fatah and prefers to work with Israel peacefully. So if peace means IDF abuse your children and silently colonize your country, why Hamas would want to work peacefully with Israel? So IDF can abuse your children?

[Bolkonsky]

The question is that the violation is committed mostly in West Bank, which is controlled by Fatah and prefers to work with Israel peacefully. So if peace means IDF abuse your children and silently colonize your country, why Hamas would want to work peacefully with Israel? So IDF can abuse your children?

Palestinians are suspected terrorists, including the ones in the West Bank, namely because they've killed lots of innocent people. Where is the abuse in detaining them for longer? Sucks yeah, but abuse? No. They're not torturing them, and if they are then there's a problem. It's not optimal, but I'd just like to point out that everyone's attempts at resolving that situation have failed pretty terribly in the last 10 years.

[hellheaven1987]

Palestinians are suspected terrorists, including the ones in the West Bank, namely because they've killed lots of innocent people.

Ohhhh, Fatah still kills innocent people, I am surprised. You sure are living in 2012 right?

Where is the abuse in detaining them for longer?

Detain children from their parents for 188 days without reasons is not abuse?

[Jom]

Palestinians are suspected terrorists, including the ones in the West Bank, namely because they've killed lots of innocent people. Where is the abuse in detaining them for longer? Sucks yeah, but abuse? No. They're not torturing them, and if they are then there's a problem. It's not optimal, but I'd just like to point out that everyone's attempts at resolving that situation have failed pretty terribly in the last 10 years.

Suspecting an entire population of being terrorists, even children, is unrealistic and ridiculous. I doubt Israel actually think this. Just because someone isn't being tortured, doesn't mean they're not being abused; why do you think habeus corpus is one of the foundations of any fair justice system? Unlawful detention is an abuse of someone by any legal definition.

I would just like to point out that Israel's continued recognition of illegal settlements have scuppered any attempts to resolve the situation.

[Phier]

I would just like to point out that Israel's continued recognition of illegal settlements have scuppered any attempts to resolve the situation.

Except for the scuppering of the situation done by the Palestinians themselves right? Or do you believe this is a one sided scupper?

[Sir Pignans]

Now, I'm not against being nice to children, but the UN Rights of the Child is utter bullcrap anyways. I don't see the reason for a peacekeeping committee because of Israel. Maybe when Hamas stops terrorizing Israel, should someone step in.

What? So when Hamas stops terrorizing Israel we should step in? Maybe when that FSA stops terrorizing Assads government we should step in to protect rights as well right? These rights are a fundamental, well, right of every person living on the planet. We don't waive those peoples right to those rights simply because one group of people is fighting another group of people. (Though for reference Hamas seems to be targeting military targets now, when attacking at all, it's mainly smaller, more uncontrollable factions firing rockets, the last flare up excluded of course).

People need to stop declaring a million rights for everything, and actually focus on the issues at hand - dethroning Hamas, getting rid of terrorism, etc. Terrorists aren't gonna listen to declarations of rights.

So you want to treat the symptom instead of the cause?

Palestinians are suspected terrorists, including the ones in the West Bank, namely because they've killed lots of innocent people.

Cause stereotyping an entire nation has never had any bad consequences....

Where is the abuse in detaining them for longer? Sucks yeah, but abuse? No. They're not torturing them, and if they are then there's a problem. It's not optimal, but I'd just like to point out that everyone's attempts at resolving that situation have failed pretty terribly in the last 10 years.

So the fact that they've failed for the last 10 years means what? That they're allowed to commit more abuses? Is there some sort of scaling system I'm not aware of?

[Plan C]

Palestinians are suspected terrorists, including the ones in the West Bank, namely because they've killed lots of innocent people. Where is the abuse in detaining them for longer? Sucks yeah, but abuse? No. They're not torturing them, and if they are then there's a problem. It's not optimal, but I'd just like to point out that everyone's attempts at resolving that situation have failed pretty terribly in the last 10 years.

Well, at least you're not generalizing or advocating collective responsibility... I mean that would be crazy talk...

[Pontifex Maximus]

Now, I'm not against being nice to children, but the UN Rights of the Child is utter bullcrap anyways. I don't see the reason for a peacekeeping committee because of Israel. Maybe when Hamas stops terrorizing Israel, should someone step in. People need to stop declaring a million rights for everything, and actually focus on the issues at hand - dethroning Hamas, getting rid of terrorism, etc. Terrorists aren't gonna listen to declarations of rights.

History has shown that you don't get rid of terrorism by fighting it, and Israeli abuse of children isn't helping get rid of Hamas. Human rights initiatives and the enfranchisement of the Palestinians are the best hope of improving the situation, but Israel is a terrorist state founded upon discriminatory, self-righteous principles of elitism and superiority that derives its authority to rule from the old testament.

[ash874]

I wonder why international community does not just send a peacekeeping force to end all the violations Israel committing in West Bank now

maybe its because all they got is a bunch of keyboard warriors like yourself?

[Phier]

"Rights of the Children"?

[AqD]

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Well, after repeating violating international laws, it is not a wonder why international community finds Israel untrustable. I wonder why international community does not just send a peacekeeping force to end all the violations Israel committing in West Bank now, or at least impose harsh economical sanctions to teach rogue states what would happen when you breach international laws and try to be a daredevil criminal.

Israel has a real military force, unlike poor Kosovo or Afghanistan or Iraq.


What if UN lose the battles? Or it turns ugly and a lot of soldiers died? How much are the international community willing to pay for proper justice in another country?

[hellheaven1987]

What if UN lose the battles?

Lose battles are fine, at least it shows UN tries to enforce international law. It just like police may fail to arrest criminals but that is better than police try nothing to stop crimes.

Or it turns ugly and a lot of soldiers died?

That is like saying because there would be a lot of death among police that police should not try to stop armed robbery.

How much are the international community willing to pay for proper justice in another country?

Depends how international community wants; but remember that, tolerate Israel's illegal activities today means international community has no ground to stop other rogue states' illegal activities tomorrow, including Iran's attempt to make nukes.

[AqD]

Lose battles are fine, at least it shows UN tries to enforce international law. It just like police may fail to arrest criminals but that is better than police try nothing to stop crimes.

If it's started, I guess US and Russia would just stay out, leave europeans to fight on their own. They'll lose, and condamn the big players in UN for not actively supporting. And then the entire UN dissolve.

That is like saying because there would be a lot of death among police that police should not try to stop armed robbery.

You remind me polices vs drug-traders in Mexico

Depends how international community wants; but remember that, tolerate Israel's illegal activities today means international community has no ground to stop other rogue states' illegal activities tomorrow, including Iran's attempt to make nukes.

Actually they're doing exactly that right now. Is there any member in UN who isn't a hypocrite?

[Yosemite]

let's ignore the situation at hand and post extreme/unrelated things

[OCWife]

I thought the UN was abolished ages ago.

[Poet]

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Well, after repeating violating international laws, it is not a wonder why international community finds Israel untrustable. I wonder why international community does not just send a peacekeeping force to end all the violations Israel committing in West Bank now, or at least impose harsh economical sanctions to teach rogue states what would happen when you breach international laws and try to be a daredevil criminal.

Color me shocked.

[Col. Tartleton]

If I'm not mistaken 22 of the 26 UN resolutions or whatever were directed against Israel. As a reasonable person I recognize that it is a highly disputed area with regional consequences and that would probably justify one or two complaints.

North Korea? 1.

Darfur? None.

The UN has gone from the guys fighting the Nazis to an international anti-Semitic lobby.

Sweet.

My only problem with Israel is that they affiliate with terrorists like Hamas and Fatah.

[Vanoi]

My only problem with Israel is that they affiliate with terrorists like Hamas and Fatah.

No the only problem is Israel likes to constantly break international law. And uses Hamas as an excuse.