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    Default German court rules against circumcision.

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    German court rules religious circumcision on boys an assault
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    BERLIN — Circumcising young boys on religious grounds amounts to grievous bodily harm, a German court ruled Tuesday in a landmark decision that the Jewish community said trampled on parents' religious rights.
    The regional court in Cologne, western Germany, ruled that the "fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents", a judgement that is expected to set a legal precedent.
    "The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised," the court added.
    The case was brought against a doctor in Cologne who had circumcised a four-year-old Muslim boy on his parents' wishes.
    A few days after the operation, his parents took him to hospital as he was bleeding heavily. Prosecutors then charged the doctor with grievous bodily harm.
    The doctor was acquitted by a lower court that judged he had acted within the law as the parents had given their consent.
    On appeal, the regional court also acquitted the doctor but for different reasons.
    The regional court upheld the original charge of grievous bodily harm but also ruled that the doctor was innocent as there was too much confusion on the legal situation around circumcision.
    The court came down firmly against parents' right to have the ritual performed on young children.
    "The body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision," the court said. "This change contravenes the interests of the child to decide later on his religious beliefs."
    The decision caused outrage in Germany's Jewish community.
    The head of the Central Committee of Jews, Dieter Graumann, said the ruling was "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination."
    The judgement was an "outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries," added Graumann.
    "This religious right is respected in every country in the world."
    Holm Putzke, a criminal law expert at the University of Passau, told the Financial Times Deutschland that the ruling was "enormously important for doctors because for the first time they have legal certainty."
    "Unlike many politicians, the court has not allowed itself to be scared off by charges of anti-Semitism or religious intolerance," added Putzke.
    The World Health Organisation has estimated that nearly one in three males under 15 is circumcised. In the United States, the operation is often performed for hygiene reasons on infants.
    Thousands of young boys are circumcised every year in Germany, especially in the country's large Jewish and Muslim communities.
    The court specified that circumcision was not illegal if carried out for medical reasons.
    Merkel shows her true face as an anti-Semitic East German totalitarian. First she imposes austerity laws on Greece, now she institutes Nuremberg laws in her own land. Without firing a shot she has accomplished more than the Second and Third Reichs, Prussia, Hitler and Napoleon, for as head of the EU Germany has total mastery over Europe.

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    Default Circumcision - a breach of children’s rights?

    Is circumcision "a sever and irreversible interference into physical integrity" [of children]? - quoting the below quoted/mentioned 'Times of Israel'.

    I have come to know that over 50% of male US citizens are circumcised and life with a surgically modified willy:

    http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
    http://mgmbill.org/statistics.htm
    http://www.circumstitions.com/USA.html


    A local German court has now ruled (for secular - non-anti-Semite and non-anti-Islam - reasons) that parents and physicians can be brought to court for circumcising children:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/german-...circumcisions/

    Parents having their sons circumcised can be brought before a judge for causing bodily injury, even if they did so for religious reasons, a regional court in Germany has ruled.
    University of Passau jurist Holm Putzke told the FTD [= Financial Times Deutschland] the decision could have far-reaching ramifications.

    “As opposed to many politicians, the court was not deterred by fears of being criticized for anti-Semitism or hostility toward religion,” he said. “This decision could not only influence future jurisdiction, it could also lead the relevant religions to change their attitude with respect to the fundamental nature of children’s rights.”
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    Here's the original (German) article in the "Financial Times - Deutschland":
    (= http://www.ftd.de/politik/deutschlan.../70054618.html)
    Last edited by Qasper; June 26, 2012 at 04:12 PM.

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    Default Re: Circumcision - A breach of children’s rights?

    If they want to get circumcised for whatever reason they can do it themselves when they're old enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    If they want to get circumcised for whatever reason they can do it themselves when they're old enough.
    That's also my opinion on this matter. Let the men (literally) decide, if they want that surgical intervention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    If they want to get circumcised for whatever reason they can do it themselves when they're old enough.
    Agreed. I see no reason to chop a bit off your child's penis just so you can bring him up with a certain faith, they can choose to do that when they're older should they see the need. Not that I even understand why anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    If they want to get circumcised for whatever reason they can do it themselves when they're old enough.
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    There's a theory circulating that circumcision traumatizes the kids.
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    Default Re: Germany makes Jewish religious practices illegal

    Well i'm not sure about this, i always hated knives so......


    But anti semit is just stupid at this point, i guess the german red necks don't like google or facebook, which by the way is paying for the red necks of america.

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    Default Re: Germany makes Jewish religious practices illegal

    Oh no, now you can't mutilate a infants body just because some 2,000 year old book tells you to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone View Post
    Oh no, now you can't mutilate a infants body just because some 2,000 year old book tells you to.
    Shouldnt that rule out all Sharia laws too, or maybe the ten commandments.
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    What the is this bollocks? This only protects babies from being mutilated and there is nothing anti-semitic about it, hell in any sane society it would be illegal to mutilate your children and if they want to do it for religious reasons they should have to wait until they are eighteen.

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    I didn't know "Germany" was the name of a regional court in Cologne.
    Also, I'm surprised to learn that Merkel is a judge now. Well that explains a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    I didn't know "Germany" was the name of a regional court in Cologne.
    Also, I'm surprised to learn that Merkel is a judge now. Well that explains a lot.
    OP is just a stupid attempt at trolling, just ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulaHoup
    Merkel shows her true face as an anti-Semitic East German totalitarian.
    It was a German court not Merkel so I don't see why you are even mentioning her. As far as I know it is not anti-Semitic just because you say a person can not do something. It seems they are looking at it from the point of the child who has no say in what is being done to them. It could stil be performed at later date if the child consents.

    I do not agree with it myself but I do see where they are coming from.
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    I thought it was already illegal. Just something they do in the middle east and the more primitive parts of Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    Just something they do in the middle east and the more primitive parts of Africa.
    In fact, circumcision is Africa’s best weapon against AIDS.
    Circumcision ring cuts AIDS risk in Africa
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    Default Re: Germany makes Jewish religious practices illegal

    No, it's still legal practically everywhere as far as I know, I consider both the practice and that fact to be an abomination personally. Good on those that made this decision doing so despite all the bigotted crap that will likely get thrown their way for being nazi's or w/e else people will say, the child's rights absolutely should take priority and the sooner such a decision is made in every other place that circumcision is still allowed the better.

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    God probably knows his own, without checking to see if the foreskin is removed.
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    Default Re: Germany makes Jewish religious practices illegal

    Merged the two threads on this topic.

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    No surprises for me
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