So has CA stopped working on Shogun 2 for the Holy grail Mod summit?

[Humble Warrior]

It seems that the Holy Grail Mod summit, while potentially good, has brought to a halt any sign or more effort to Patch up STW2 and improve it further. I`ve seen this before... the sudden silence on everything else.

It seems they are totally wrapping up. While I have always supported the effort for Mods (even though I am not a modder) I didn`t think fixes and patching to the game was going to come to a grinding halt.

Oh well, at least STW2 is in a better state than Empire ever was.

Ask if you need a list.

[leSith]

Hi humble actually yes I d like a list as I play as you know mp coop campaign and also vs because of the bad BAI I suppose we have the same expectation ( well now that the desync has gone ).

So let s start by bad path finding , bad BAI ( unable to hold a proper formation especially true for fots where battle turns out to wait for the BAI to comit sucide and unable to manage artillery).
No ironclads for the CAI ( never saw one on legendary).

Your turn humble

[King Gambrinus]

Humble, you seemed to be always blowing on the "CA must help modders fix the game" trumpet and now you're saying they should focus instead on doing it themselves.


I'm a harsh critic of CA since Empire but this seems to be just a little too harsh.

[daniu]

Humble, you seemed to be always blowing on the "CA must help modders fix the game" trumpet and now you're saying they should focus instead on doing it themselves.

Well now that CA broke their usual two-day update cycle and left us hanging without a patch for a month, in the meantime only releasing the unit packs for NTW everybody was shouting about wanting them, of course they gave up on support.

The way games are developed, there really is no place for any kind of realistic expectations.

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[Ildoge]

I'm waiting for 40 vs 40 mp matches since FOTS release..........
However I think CA will release other small patches

[AngryTitusPullo]

Base on the agenda those who attend on the CA's side are not the worker bees and does not represent the whole CA employees. Work don't just halt because of this summit or whatsoever. Anyay those on coding side is definitely working on the next TW titles whiich is probably in late alpha/beta stage is CA continuing with releases in March.

Support regarding fixes etc at this stage depends on report and base on whether they can replicate the issue. Postings on forums does not help as those who compiled bugs etc are not from CA but SEGA.

CA employees most probably are playing the new TW game build or maybe Diablo II this moment.

[Stryke]

The last patch was a major one (including the release of a battle map editor) and was less than five weeks ago. There have been larger gaps between patches in the past (such as the run up to FoTS) so why do you think that it has all come to a "grinding halt""?

[Humble Warrior]

I think CA have done better for STW2 in general, but Issues I still see (I`m sure others see more):

Siege Battles:

1. When battles get really heavy with lots of dead units and fighting units, I get this really weird bodies flickering effect that can make seeing what`s going on really very hard. It`s like the bodies jump up and down really fast. It only seems to happen in very intensive sieges with Ultra unit numbers and I think it happened in one very intensive bridge battle too.

2. If you`re sieging the AI and decide to attack, but just bring mostly cannons and bomb the hell out of the besieged AI (as I often do in FOTS), the AI will mostly move around a bit like ants, but will stay in the Fort. Please update the siege BAI to sometimes leave the Fort and actually attack the Player if he just mostly uses cannons and there`s a reasonable chance that this could work. I know that if in some siege battles the BAI had actually attacked me, it would`ve screwed my artillery attack easily. Incidentally, I`ve sacrficed cavalry on artillery attacking me in a siege and won the battle by so doing.

3. Allow the BAI in SIEGE attacks with cannons to use its cannons FULLY before sending troops forward. Let it use ALL long range troops first such as archers. Let it have the adage of `Let the enemy die for its country first before we lose even one man`. Why send troops to scale walls while cannons with a full load are still firing? it`s dumb.

4. Change the ludicrous archers having longer range than rifles. A smart person and even the AI will still find uses for them. Make them dirt cheap or have better hiding abilities something.

In Ship Battles:

1.Defending AI ships need to do more than just sit back. It might seem smart at first to just sit back and wait for the Player to attack, but a smart Player just goes wide and then manouevers in, forcing the ship BAI to actually have to turn in to attack. EVERY TIME. Have the ship BAI begin manouevering so as to prevent the Player from just circumnavigating them. I would say keep the ship back but as soon as the Player starts going wide to affect the far reaching flanks even when out of range, the ships should immediately change position so that the Player will always have enemy guns facing him. As it is, it`s just too easy.

2. Reduce the explosion frequency of ships. I actually had one enemy ship come in to battle and as soon as I started the battle it just blew up without a shot fired! Explosions are more impressive when they happen infrequently.

3. Increase overall AI ship battle tactics. It`s still hard to see any real ship tactics in this game.

Campaign:

1. Reduce effectiveness of some units, especially in FOTS. The Ishin Ishi (sp) is probably the most overpowered agent in the game. I am able to take whole armies easily, which while, in reality sides did change, I just don`t think it was this easy or on this scale. Perhaps increase the cost of the briberies?

2. Foreign Agents are way too effective at training troops. leave them in an army and before you know it- elite troops. also, Agents should never train soldiers to the top most experience. The highest experience should be left to actual battle experience. Think about it.

3. There are still some issues with the game crashing when trying to disband a disloyal General in a city. I leave him now or risk throwing him alone at an enemy.


Aesthetics:

1.The option to remove all markers is great, but you, CA, still haven`t removed the blue circle influence radius line of Generals and special units. Please make this a part of the `no unit markers` realism option. I like to judge a unit`s influence myself as one would have to do in the real thing.

2. Some messages should be a little more obvious. For example, if your hostage your son and he is killed, this should be a full screen major message extolling the seriousness of the situation. Not a passing small comment, barely noticed.

3.Friendly Allies should alert you within a couple of turns if they are in deep trouble and might die (say they have only one Province left and huge enemies nearby).

4.Ability to name ships and even troops would be nice.


That`s it for now.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

The Blood Pack!
I can't believe people are playing this game and not noticing how terribly stupid it looks with blood-spattered warriors - except their faces and left arms.

And last I checked, bowstrings are still going BOOM instead of *twang*.

I read the thread regarding the release of some units for Napoleon, see all the fawning and groveling and am in disbelief: 3.24USD for these things for a game that old? This is just as outrageous as 4.00 for the '0 to 1' factions for S2. DarthMod and others have already introduced so many more and better units.

We've been financially and qualitively screwed with S2 and yet people are frothing at the mouth about a modding summit, which won't fulfill their modding expectations at all, but what CA is using as PR damage repair where they can make some meaningless prattle and hand out a few t-shirts or copies of FotS to win hearts and minds.

I'm tire of the ususal industry smarm regarding 'maybe we will/won't reveal a teaser about the next game', getting kids all hot and excited, with everyone's short memories omitting just how ripped off we've been - and in this case are still being.

"Come at me bro" and "Everyday I'm autoresolvin'" indeed. Cut the nonsense please, CA, and put honesty and duty towards your current release.

[weirdoascensor]

And last I checked, bowstrings are still going BOOM instead of *twang*.

You Know, There is Simfonia Semplice now...Fixes it pretty nicely...

[Jedi]

I cant believe people are defending this company or CraigTW having the balls to come in and spout more lies.You robbed me bro and have the nerve to block us outright on gloss etc so why would you think that now anyone would believe a word that comes out of your mouth? I paid like £70 worth for this crap you just ruined for me and you sit there posting you crap about map packs etc? Have you guys no shame or morals? How about sorting out the mess you made first?


Im still waiting for any kind of GFX fix apart from bloodpack from these robbers.Its now almost July FFS and the draw distance and gloss mess etc is STILL there.This time its worse than rome,M2 or ETW.

CA have royally ripped everyone off and just dont get me started on how pathetic the patches are.We all got duped into buying a DLC marketed as a new game so they can steal more money from customers.

Support indeed the only support that ever came was the fix the things they broke like blood pack.Can someone explain to me why i still have white boots on my avatar that are clearly black and just missing textures? We have a lengthy thread of things broken only by the FOTS patch and out of the list only 1 thing has been adressed!

All CraigTW does it post every few dweeks saying we are doing this and making that and you will love this.Well no we dont actually infact some of us are so pissed we aaint played FOTS since release.Since when or where does it say FOTS the new TW stand alone title that reduced draw distance by 50% and nerfs your graphics for shogun 2?

How long does it take to fix faceless sprites? Exactly its intentional.So why do current screenshots show a false draw distance to unsuspecting customers huh? CA engaging in fraud thats a new one! Not!

You wont get away with it thats for sure.In a few weeks im going to stop being lazy and take it up with the regulator for advertisments etc.Im going to send my copy to mike simpson at CA with recorded delivery asking for a refund on S2,FOTS and the DLC's.And im going to post the reply here on this very forum.And if there is no reply then i will simply ask the regulator to take it up with you or i will simply just take you for fraud.

So have a nice day i know i wont when ever i come on this forum to read more of Craig's false promises and lies to make everyone go quiet until they can announce a new TW game and we forget about gloss etc.I dont think so pal cus for now on i aint paying a single penny into the franchise.

[DarthShizNit]

Cool story

[Humble Warrior]

I cant believe .... (snipped for brevity)
You wont get away with it thats for sure.In a few weeks im going to stop being lazy and take it up with the regulator for advertisments etc.Im going to send my copy to mike simpson at CA with recorded delivery asking for a refund on S2,FOTS and the DLC's.And im going to post the reply here on this very forum.And if there is no reply then i will simply ask the regulator to take it up with you or i will simply just take you for fraud.

So have a nice day i know i wont when ever i come on this forum to read more of Craig's false promises and lies to make everyone go quiet until they can announce a new TW game and we forget about gloss etc.I dont think so pal cus for now on i aint paying a single penny into the franchise.

Well at least I had the balls to make a thread to get their attention rather than waiting for someone else to do it then hijacking it to rant. Maybe if you`d done the same you may have had better attention?

And you really should make it a part of your sig if you`re that angry about it.

[Shea O'Gorath]

I cant believe people are defending this company or CraigTW having the balls to come in and spout more lies.You robbed me bro and have the nerve to block us outright on gloss etc so why would you think that now anyone would believe a word that comes out of your mouth? I paid like £70 worth for this crap you just ruined for me and you sit there posting you crap about map packs etc? Have you guys no shame or morals? How about sorting out the mess you made first?


Im still waiting for any kind of GFX fix apart from bloodpack from these robbers.Its now almost July FFS and the draw distance and gloss mess etc is STILL there.This time its worse than rome,M2 or ETW.

CA have royally ripped everyone off and just dont get me started on how pathetic the patches are.We all got duped into buying a DLC marketed as a new game so they can steal more money from customers.

Support indeed the only support that ever came was the fix the things they broke like blood pack.Can someone explain to me why i still have white boots on my avatar that are clearly black and just missing textures? We have a lengthy thread of things broken only by the FOTS patch and out of the list only 1 thing has been adressed!

All CraigTW does it post every few dweeks saying we are doing this and making that and you will love this.Well no we dont actually infact some of us are so pissed we aaint played FOTS since release.Since when or where does it say FOTS the new TW stand alone title that reduced draw distance by 50% and nerfs your graphics for shogun 2?

How long does it take to fix faceless sprites? Exactly its intentional.So why do current screenshots show a false draw distance to unsuspecting customers huh? CA engaging in fraud thats a new one! Not!

You wont get away with it thats for sure.In a few weeks im going to stop being lazy and take it up with the regulator for advertisments etc.Im going to send my copy to mike simpson at CA with recorded delivery asking for a refund on S2,FOTS and the DLC's.And im going to post the reply here on this very forum.And if there is no reply then i will simply ask the regulator to take it up with you or i will simply just take you for fraud.

So have a nice day i know i wont when ever i come on this forum to read more of Craig's false promises and lies to make everyone go quiet until they can announce a new TW game and we forget about gloss etc.I dont think so pal cus for now on i aint paying a single penny into the franchise.

There is no fraud here. The game works for the most part bug free and if you are playing the game simply for graphics then I suggest looking at screenshots or maybe a historical documentary.I do not feel ripped off. I actually enjoy the game gloss or not. Any regulator will scoff at your case. Why would CA purposely implement bugs into their game. And finally if you hate the game so much why do you have all the DLC ?

Protip: Press N to access a long draw distance camera.

[Jedi]

There is no fraud here. The game works for the most part bug free and if you are playing the game simply for graphics then I suggest looking at screenshots or maybe a historical documentary.I do not feel ripped off. I actually enjoy the game gloss or not. Any regulator will scoff at your case. Why would CA purposely implement bugs into their game. And finally if you hate the game so much why do you have all the DLC ?

Protip: Press N to access a long draw distance camera.

Well it looks like you have trouble reading mate as i will clear my post up for a few of you and i will even add in two screenshots of the real draw distance and the fake advertised version.No one plays for graphics a game with graphics alone is not a game.Obviously i play as i like historical combat? It just depends on how realistic and good that combat looks and im not throwing money away unless it fills that niche for me.When you look at the screenshots they are actually misadvertised screenshots and do not represent the final game! Look at the FOTS screenshots and look at the real draw distance it has been changed or roughly halfed since the FOTS patch.Hence this is why i owned the limited edition S2 and all the DLC's.The change only came after a year to the graphics for S2 so thats why im saying i have been robbed which where is no other explantion.You buy something and someone takes it away from you its robbery or theft.And its not just gloss or view distance here.There are a lot of things they managed to remove or bug and have done nothing for roughly 4 months.

Why would a regulator not be interested in a company doing that? Its the same as buying a extended edition LOTR blu-ray boxset and after a year you find that they remove the extended bits.you payed for it thee way it was you based your decision to buy on how it was as retail not how it would be altered when they see fit.Right now its missing gloss and its showing faceless troops at the closest game distance.It did not look like this one year ago.Hell they even took up EA over the mass effect 3 ending as it was described wrong on the DVD box.

So yea you are pretty clueless about the whole situation when you suggest your pro tip for long distance camera.does this magically change the view distance thats roughly half of what is advertised on the steam screenshots section for FOTS? I think not.... so nice try at sarcasm there




Oh and yea to Humble i have no shame in making my feeling known in your thread.We did have our own thread so i dont know why you are saying we never had the bits a person requires to make one.you and zebra managed to flame and spam post it to death to the point where people could not have a conversation without both of you spam posting about it when your views have been known for a long long time.Views which if i remind you actually screw one side of the community where as the fixes we tried to get implemented benefited the whole commmunity.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

You wont get away with it thats for sure.In a few weeks im going to stop being lazy and take it up with the regulator for advertisments etc.Im going to send my copy to mike simpson at CA with recorded delivery asking for a refund on S2,FOTS and the DLC's.And im going to post the reply here on this very forum.And if there is no reply then i will simply ask the regulator to take it up with you or i will simply just take you for fraud.

Let us know how that goes!


@Craig: Don't misunderstand me. I do understand that you're working constantly.

But that doesn't make any difference if that work never fixes any of the problems.

Hell, how about telling us what you're working on? I mean, really, these aren't matters of national security. You're not going to lose money by telling us what you guys are doing.

[Princeps]

Who cares about Empire?

Tbh, CA shouldn't waste time fixing some minor problems with a years old game.

[SonOfCrusader76]

I think CA have done better for STW2 in general, but Issues I still see (I`m sure others see more):

Siege Battles:

1. When battles get really heavy with lots of dead units and fighting units, I get this really weird bodies flickering effect that can make seeing what`s going on really very hard. It`s like the bodies jump up and down really fast. It only seems to happen in very intensive sieges with Ultra unit numbers and I think it happened in one very intensive bridge battle too.

And it can't do anything for the FPS either.

[emotion_name]

Seems a bit "damned if they do, damned if they dont" with this im afraid!

When they were dropping patches here and there, most people moaned about modding, some moaned about patch frequency, very small percentage stayed quiet and got on with it.

When they drop patches regularly, smaller ones mind, again most moaned about modding ("Oh wow, mods could have done this better, and quicker" sort of thing).

When they say "Ok, lets meet and see what you modders can bring to the table since we hear so much" people start accusing them of abandoning S2TW!

Seriously guys, some of you need to step back from TW and TWC for a bit (you know who you are) if all you can do is pick holes, suggest conspiracy theories and find a negative or 2 for every positive CA and the community tries! (it worked for me, )

[Dynamo11]

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Seems a bit "damned if they do, damned if they dont" with this im afraid!

When they were dropping patches here and there, most people moaned about modding, some moaned about patch frequency, very small percentage stayed quiet and got on with it.

When they drop patches regularly, smaller ones mind, again most moaned about modding ("Oh wow, mods could have done this better, and quicker" sort of thing).

When they say "Ok, lets meet and see what you modders can bring to the table since we hear so much" people start accusing them of abandoning S2TW!

Seriously guys, some of you need to step back from TW and TWC for a bit (you know who you are) if all you can do is pick holes, suggest conspiracy theories and find a negative or 2 for every positive CA and the community tries! (it worked for me, )

This, I'm fed up of reading threads day in day out criticising CA for either releasing patches too frequently or not releasing them at all.

Shogun 2 is in a playable state ergo it doesn't need any major patching, that's your answer