Tutorials (Basics & Advanced) Fall of The Samurai Multiplayer

[Pariya]

Hello. I spent a lot of time making these tutorial video. I hope you enjoy them and i hope you benefit from them. They are a lot like the tutorial videos i made for regular Shogun 2(without the expansion) The difference is these are geared specifically towards the Fall of The Samurai expansion.

In the first video i will discuss the complete basics. If you have already played multiplayer a decent amount you will probably already know most of what is contained in this video. I will lay out what i discuss and let you decide for yourself if you want to watch this tutorial which is geared towards beginners.

Topics covered in tutorial 1 of 2 (Basics)

-I will explain how to navigate through the different menus and explain what everything is.
-I will show you how to create an avatar.
-I will show you the best way to go about conquering the avatar map and where the best starting position is.
-I will also show you the best provinces to conquer on the map.
-I will tell you the best retainers that you can unlock from the map and use in your armies.
-I will show you the best way to spend your first few avatar skill tree points in a manner that will give you immediate results.
-I will show you an army you can use when you first start out with the units available to you which can still be competitive.
-I will show a 5k example battle and show you how to use this army.





In the second video i will go over more advanced topics. This is the video most people will find the most beneficial.

Topics covered in tutorial 2 of 2 (Advanced)

-In this video i will go into more detail about the retainers and explain what all the very best retainers are.
-I will show you the best ways to upgrade the avatars skill tree when you have all 20 points available to you.
-Most the video though will be spent discussing the units. More specifically the video will be geared towards how to upgrade your veteran units for the best effect.

[Gen. Sherman]

Nice vids. Whether or not I know the content of things like this people make, I appreciate the time involved.

One question: How did you figure that anything over 20 charge has no benefit? I'm not questioning your knowledge but just the method behind the numbers. I for one have questioned if a higher charge value combined with higher speed ratings has an increased affect considering the physics of the game

[Thorien Kell]

I agree that vids are good, somehow I have the feeling that noobs are not that often in FotS, but again, new ppl DO arrive constantly, perhaps not in large numbers as before.

What I would like to see from Pariya is "advanced tactical lections 4 fots players" discussing most popular builds and the ways to defeat them, efficient armies, etc.

BTW isn't the build you used to defeat me on last tournament (and the build many top tier players use) slightly risky? If I had one spear levy and if I hadn't divided my cav to two flanks (which I almost never do, btw lol), you could easily be screwed, your lines were inferior, all you had is one trick pony of strong flank cav charge. It can work but once on some players. I am in temptation of bringing only two Ki's and few spear units and use my cav defensively, like in S2. I have no doubt that it would be more successful /but it wouldn't be as fun...

[zaript]

Thorien, I think that would be cool, if you can pull it out. Right now it is becoming a common thing to use around 5-7k koku on a cavalry, which I think is dynamic and interesting, but it would be no fun if it will become a "must".
So someone have to show us a way to beat one trick pony like that, even if it will involve some camping.

[Thorien Kell]

Basically using non cav army in fots is ridiculously easy, even easier then in S2. I saw spammy non cav builds that took like 4 spear levys and were cav proof with minimal investments. All you need is 1-2 low vet ki's for mobile defense componenet, and keep them behind your lines. If you have little line inf. spam, the better. Hidden rev cav for emergencies - even better. Once I saw the army that had - 1 marine, 4 white tigers, 4 spear levy and 4 dam*n archers. Needles to say they obliterated my bear/ki spam. I lost more than once to white tiger spam btw. Numbers really matter in fots.

[zaript]

Basically using non cav army in fots is ridiculously easy, even easier then in S2. I saw spammy non cav builds that took like 4 spear levys and were cav proof with minimal investments. All you need is 1-2 low vet ki's for mobile defense componenet, and keep them behind your lines. If you have little line inf. spam, the better. Hidden rev cav for emergencies - even better. Once I saw the army that had - 1 marine, 4 white tigers, 4 spear levy and 4 dam*n archers. Needles to say they obliterated my bear/ki spam. I lost more than once to white tiger spam btw. Numbers really matter in fots.

Well, I agree with your last sentence. And I have lost a lot of games to different builds at different times. In fact I loose at least one game of each four I play. But...

Words are cheap, so I hope Pariya will excuse me for adding video link to his thread.

Would 4 spear levy save a game like this? I don't know, they are slow and have a low moral and cost like 2 Black Bears.

So, I think you really should use non cav army at the next tournament and show us how ridiculously easy it is And I don't try to offence you here, I really want to see if it is a valid composition you could use in higher levels of play.

P.S. Video might take some time to upload.
P.P.S. And I am sorry, youtube thinks it is too long, have to fix it some how... Replay for the time being.
P.P.P.S. It finally uploaded

[VersionLangley]

Cav is necessary m8 ^^......a non-cav army is fun to play with once in a while but in competition it way too dangerous to go without cav

[coreBOSS]

This is good stuff!

[Thorien Kell]

As I've already told /and as S2 veteran I can confirm, cav in S2 is lot more deadly then in Fots. Linies take forever to butcher and they won't fall apart like s2 troops on back charge. 2 units of yari cav in the back means game over usually, in Fots they are just nuisance. One hit from linie will decimate every cav unit and believe it ot not spear levies are remarkably durable on certain occasions. I used to meet line spam armies, with 2 spear units in back and one non vet Ki, and my superior Ki cav with attack of 24 made minimal impact. Sure they can punch where it hurts, taking out damaged units, frighten units, general and arty but they won't hurt bunch of resilient linies with at least some basic defense too much. And I never said no cav, although that's possible too. But small, cheaper cav that defends rather then big that leashes out. I will test the setup out, besides I've used it entire time in S2 with very good results. Here it's ought to work even better.

[VersionLangley]

And I never said no cav, although that's possible too. But small, cheaper cav that defends rather then big that leashes out. I will test the setup out, besides I've used it entire time in S2 with very good results. Here it's ought to work even better.

You said above that non cav built is easy, but IMO it's just suicidal

[Thorien Kell]

You said above that non cav built is easy, but IMO it's just suicidal

I've seen it happen.

[WolvesSwift]

I've seen it happen.

Simple put, non cav armies will not take you anywhere. If you vs a good high caliber player you will lose everytime. What gets away in ranked games doesn't get away in the pro games.

The problem with Total War now is people think because they are number one on a ladder they are good. Good games do not happen on the ladder. Good games happen in custom game.


So simple put, no you cannot compete vs good players with a non cav army, you will get wrecked everytime. I can promise you this.

[coreBOSS]

I recently played with a very talented player that shared some info with me. On flat maps u can win with an abundance of line infantry but u must still field Cav. In nearly every other circumstance u need four highly vetted yari ki.

I would say I win a lot but its not because im amazing. I get away with murder in battlelist and matchmaking because there are very few "real" top one hundred players out there. This guy im speaking of beat me like I've never played the game before. He rolled Cav in the same vein as the Op.

[zaript]

OK, I verified my youtube account, so by the morning video will be uploaded again, I hope.

Anyway, point of cavalry is not the slaughtering or routing whole units(which 4 vetted yari ki can do), it is ability to stop them from firing and retreating, to put pressure on a general, to rush important points of the map early on, to quickly move hitting power from one flank to another.
Can you really afford loosing all that utility in favour of 2-3 more bears?

And as I already said, words are cheap. I know that because I am "theory-crafter" myself, and that is a bad habit I try to get rid of.

[Thorien Kell]

OK, I verified my youtube account, so by the morning video will be uploaded again, I hope.

I saw your vid, so you shoved us how experienced Bushido player can beat lousy player with bear spam. It really proves nothing. You opponent hasn't even bother to take shinobi to check on your troop position - it's a lot more important then in shogun because lines are much more static. He allowed you to rape his flank with your whole army, he even didn't bother to position units in two lines forcing you to kill half of his troops through gunfire of other half. Point is, if your opponent was just remotely good player, you could loose very, very easy.

But as you've said, talk IS cheap, just add me on a steam and we'll play three games (in the name of science : ) you take typical line inf /strong cav build and I'll try to counter you with minimal cav and several spear units, extra funds I will invest in auxiliary troops (more lines, bows, melee, etc) on three diferent maps. Then we'll know more of is my theory feasible or not.

[WolvesSwift]

I saw your vid, so you shoved us how experienced Bushido player can beat lousy player with bear spam. It really proves nothing. You opponent hasn't even bother to take shinobi to check on your troop position - it's a lot more important then in shogun because lines are much more static. He allowed you to rape his flank with your whole army, he even didn't bother to position units in two lines forcing you to kill half of his troops through gunfire of other half. Point is, if your opponent was just remotely good player, you could loose very, very easy.

But as you've said, talk IS cheap, just add me on a steam and we'll play three games (in the name of science : ) you take typical line inf /strong cav build and I'll try to counter you with minimal cav and several spear units, extra funds I will invest in auxiliary troops (more lines, bows, melee, etc) on three diferent maps. Then we'll know more of is my theory feasible or not.

Lol, the orginal reason he debated with you is because you said no cav armys could work vs good players, now your saying minimal cav ? Your minds changing. There is a difference between minimal cav and no cav.

[Pariya]

Sub groups do not exist anymore and I do use the debug cam.

[WolvesSwift]

1. Sub groups do not exist anymore
2. I do use debug cam
3. I have won a lot more tournaments than you in the various Total War titles
4. I have played just as long as you and longer because you never played RTW or Medi2 where as i did. You only played STW1 and MTW and you never played RTW or Medi2.
4. Ask Wolf_Kanuni how good i am. Last i checked i am something like 120 wins to his 50 wins in our 1v1 record against each other.

I mean "no offense" but i don't feel like being discreet with my insults like you tried to be so i will just be more direct with mine. The Silent Assassins specialize in killing wolves anyways. It has always been this way.

1) They do exist, you edit the hotkeys and some files and poof you have sub groups. I will write you a guide on this when I have more time.
2) I don't compete in 1vs1 nor do I care about titles and tournaments. Also, the only tournaments that happen now are random ones people decide to make, nothing like CWC etc. Waste of my time I enjoy the game more playing with my friends and having fun.
3) I played RTW and Med 2.
4) I don't care really about 1vs1s, and the past is the past, I am going on the present.
5) As I said no offence in my post I am not insulting you.

So let me go further into detail.

1) You put morale on your cav, you get no benefit from that. Also when you play you don't adjust your cav to counter a charger. Example If someone has cav 2 lines deep you go 3 lines deep and you block their charge. You don't do this along with alot of players including Ducky. This is sloppy micro and a lack of concern of learning to play the game. So to be blunter on this one, putting morale on YARI cav which is only good for it's charges and not long battles is rather pointless because you want them in and out, and when it comes down to it yari cav vs yari cav it matters who wins the charge. Which you vs me would lose due to sloppy micro. Once again not saying your bad, but this is something you don't do.

2) Watching your relplays, along with your commentarys you miss out on half the battle because you are zoomed in. You don't know whats happening on the battlefield at all. You focus on key points but miss out on alot of the flanking that is going on. So which to me would lead me to believe on the battlefield your doing the same things. Once again I am not saying your not using it, but I am saying you don't use it in the videos I have watched.

3) Your talk about fodder units to qoute you in general. "Why bring a fodder unit when you can bring a good unit, also for 200 dollars more you can bring something that shoots back bla bla bla". So let me explain this to you, spears act as fodder and also cav defence, this is why they are used. They are cheap, and have multiple purpose incase your strat will not work out and you have to switch to something else, guns do not they have one use shoot other guns. Spears on the other hand can be used as fodder, tieing up melee units incase you get rushed, used as meat shields for you to charge in etc etc. You have a very low perspective of how to use your units. So what you suggest people to do in your guide is to bring a good unit to use as fodder it's going to cost you more and serve less of an affect ? This doesn't make sense to me, and once again this is not having knowledge of the game and what the units are used for.

So to be blunt I can keep going all day, I don't need to sit here and spew off this and that. I know I am right, you are infact wrong, but when it comes down to it, I could careless who is better then who I play this game for fun. Notice the players you lose to and the ones you win against. I've seen alot of replays to you and you've gotten demolished time and time again and again by players I consider top caliber players. I'm not saying your a bad player, I am saying your not a top end player. If you take that as an insult thats your problem. Simple put I am not trying to be mean or offensive to you, with your remarks now you are just making yourself look like an ass. I think it's funny you assume you know me and how many tournaments I have won or even played in when you really don't. You also lack knowledge of the Total War games I have played. I have played every TW game to release, and have won tournaments in every single one of them besides Shoggie. Thats because I was deployed and have had lack of intrest in the game due to it's not what it used to be. Now I am coming back to play the game just bought FoTS the other day.

As stated before, thank you for what you do for the community with your videos, although I do disagree with alot of the information as most others who I have consulted with about them. I like your tournament idea and in the future I do plan on parctipating in some of these. So keep up the good work, and remember not everyone is out to offend someone in this game, I was just giving my opnion on something.

[Pariya]

1) You put morale on your cav, you get no benefit from that.

I put morale only on my lvl 9 Yari Ki cavalry. I only do this because there current morale level (8) is a sticky spot and they can sometimes rout with half the unit still alive if even hit with the slightest of morale penalties. A unit i am spending so much money on needs better morale than that. I do not put morale on my lesser upgraded Yari Ki or my Shogunate Guard Cav. Neither do i upgrade morale in any of my regular (none FoTS) cavalry units. I only upgrade morale in my level 9 Yari Ki cavalry.

putting morale on YARI cav which is only good for it's charges and not long battles is rather pointless.

A lvl 9 Yari Ki has better stats than a Shogunate Guard cav and costs less.

2) Watching your relplays, along with your commentarys you miss out on half the battle because you are zoomed in. You don't know whats happening on the battlefield at all. You focus on key points but miss out on alot of the flanking that is going on. So which to me would lead me to believe on the battlefield your doing the same things. Once again I am not saying your not using it, but I am saying you don't use it in the videos I have watched.

I commentate replays. I zoom in on units so the viewers can watch the units fight. When i play my camera is zoomed out and never zoomed in unless i want to check something like whether a cavalry unit is mounted or dismounted ect.

3) Your talk about fodder units to qoute you in general. "Why bring a fodder unit when you can bring a good unit, also for 200 dollars more you can bring something that shoots back bla bla bla". So let me explain this to you, spears act as fodder and also cav defence, this is why they are used. They are cheap, and have multiple purpose incase your strat will not work out and you have to switch to something else, guns do not they have one use shoot other guns. Spears on the other hand can be used as fodder, tieing up melee units incase you get rushed, used as meat shields for you to charge in etc etc. You have a very low perspective of how to use your units. So what you suggest people to do in your guide is to bring a good unit to use as fodder it's going to cost you more and serve less of an affect ? This doesn't make sense to me, and once again this is not having knowledge of the game and what the units are used for.

Naginata Attendants were great units to use as fodder in S2 because they only cost 150. However in FoTS the fodder unit you have is Spear Levies and they cost 420. They have 4 morale. Even Naginata Attendants had better morale than that. A single shot from a line unit will usually instantly rout it. A single flank will instantly rout it. Engaging it with anything will instantly rout it. You are paying 420 dollars for a unit that will eat up 1 or 2 volleys and then rout. No one competent will charge a cavalry unit into it or engage there cavalry to a unit in its proximity. They will just find a way to kill its morale and rout it.



Edit: I will not be responding to anymore of your posts. You got my goat once in the original unedited post i made before this one. It will not happen again. I dug through this crap and responded to the parts that warranted a response. I will not be digging through or even reading anymore of your posts. Your intentions are obvious and malicious, no matter how many times you say "no offense". Goodbye.

[Thorien Kell]

. Your intentions are obvious and malicious, no matter how many times you say "no offense". Goodbye

Well whatdayouknow Pariya, up to now you thought you've actually worth something but thanks to this nameless forum individual with massive ego, who doesn't play, doesn't care about 1 on 1, doesn't count tournaments, has no experience in shogun (because it's not what it used to be anymore lol) and gives dubious "advices" (zoom in replays? no morale on Ki's? buttons that are not there but you can hack them in?) now you actually know that you are mediocre player. Well welcome in with the rest of us mediocre buddy : )

Seriously, who cares what he thinks?