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    Paraguay's president Fernando Lugo is impeachment by the senate all in one day. New president sworn in within hours and the people respond.

    It looks like the era of the soft coup has begun, just look at Egypt and Pakistan.

    How do you guys see it playing out? President Lugo signed an agreement that allows The Union of South American Nations (Unasur) to exert pressure on any of its members if an elected leader was overthrown.

    Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, and even Mexico have already expressed concern and some are suggesting that they will not acknowledge the new president as legitimate.

    Ouster of Paraguay's president sparks criticism
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    Default Paraguay President Fernando Lugo Impeached by Congress

    Paraguay President Fernando Lugo Impeached by Congress

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    Paraguay's Senate has voted to impeach left-wing President Fernando Lugo, forcing him to step down.
    Both houses of Congress had voted on Thursday to begin impeachment proceedings over his handling of clashes between farmers and police last week in which at least 17 people died.
    Mr Lugo likened the move to a coup by the right wing-controlled parliament, but said he would accept the decision.
    Vice-President Federico Franco has already been sworn in as president.
    He will serve the remainder of Mr Lugo's five-year term, which ends in August 2013.
    After previously trying to get the Supreme Court to stop the impeachment vote, the fallen president said he accepted "what the law has stated, even though the law was twisted".
    'No coup' Calling on his supporters to remain calm, he added that "the history of Paraguay and its democracy have been deeply wounded".
    Mr Lugo's 2008 election ended 61 years of rule by the right-wing Colorado party.
    The two main political parties, Colorado and Liberal, had put aside their differences and voted in favour of the motion to begin the impeachment trial.
    The Liberals are part of Mr Lugo's ruling coalition.
    In an appeal filed with Paraguay's Supreme Court on Friday, Mr Lugo's lawyers had said the proceedings do not ensure due process and that the president should have been granted more time to prepare.
    A centre-right legislator, Carlos Maria, denied allegations of unconstitutionality. "There's nothing illegal here, there's no constitutional rupture, no coup," he told AP.
    The impeachment sparked clashes between police on horseback and supporters of Mr Lugo massed outside the National Congress building in the capital Asuncion.
    "We do not want the return of dictatorship," one protester who had travelled to the capital from the Brazilian border told the AFP news agency.
    Water cannon was used by police to drive the protesters back.
    The impeachment motion accused Mr Lugo of a "poor performance" during the forced land eviction last Friday, in which seven police officers and at least nine farmers were killed.
    Speaking on national television on Thursday, Mr Lugo said he would not resign, but "face the consequences" of the trial. He accused his opponents of carrying out an "express coup d'etat".
    The Union of South American Nations has send an urgent mission of foreign ministers to Paraguay to "ensure the right to defend democracy".
    Ecuador's President Rafael Correa warned that the regional bloc could invoke its "democracy clause" to sever ties with Paraguay and even close its borders if Mr Lugo is not tried according to "due process".
    BBC regional analyst Leonardo Rocha says South American countries are worried that Mr Lugo, Paraguay's first left-wing president, is the victim of a political trial by the Colorado party and other right-wing groups.
    Several South American countries, including neighbouring Argentina and Bolivia, have already said they do not recognise the new government, reports say.
    During the clashes in eastern Canindeyu province that prompted the impeachment move, more than 300 police officers tried to evict 150 landless farmers from an estate owned by a wealthy businessman who is also a political opponent of Mr Lugo.
    The eviction escalated into violence and the farmers opened fire on the police.
    The farmers have argued the land was illegally taken during the 1954-1989 military rule of Gen Alfredo Stroessner and distributed among his allies.
    Land disputes are not unusual in Paraguay, where a small fraction of the population owns about 80% of the land.
    Mr Lugo - a former Catholic bishop who abandoned priesthood to enter politics - campaigned for the needs of the poor.
    Before being elected in 2008, he promised land for some 87,000 landless families.
    On Wednesday, in an attempt to calm tensions over the incident, Mr Lugo said he would open an investigation into what happened.
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    Default Re: Paraguay President Fernando Lugo Impeached by Congress

    At least he has accepted the decision. For that reason, he is ok by me.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    At least he has accepted the decision. For that reason, he is ok by me.
    If you've seen any of the pictures coming out of that country you'd understand why he just accepted it. You have a lot of pissed off armed people running around.
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    I wonder what the people think of this clear coup d'état by the folks who governed them for 61 years with rampant corruption and fraud?
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    Hugo Chavez isn't too pleased by this apparently

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    Why the hell did a shamed Catholic Bishop get elected president of a country in the first place?

    He had a kid for Christ's sake! (pun)

    What the is wrong with South America?

    The Authentic Liberal Party is vaguely Libertarian right?
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    That's very bad news. It was clearly a a coup, the impeachment process was voted in 1 day only and the president had only 2 hours to defend himself. This could cause serious instability in Paraguay.

    I don't really get why the Liberal Party supported it. They are the historical rivals of the Colorado Party, and supported Lugo's bid for presidency, ending 61 years of the Colorados in power. Now they side with the Colorados to oust the president they supported.

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    Brazil doesn't like it.

    If I'm not mistaken that man has been Brazil's for a long time now, leaving the farmers on the borders on Brazilian hands and letting Brazilian companies jump into Paraguay (just as in Bolivia), doing whatever they want. As well as the Armed Forces, fighting against illegal smuggling. And while this may be seen as a good thing, the fact is not all that interference is beneficial to Paraguay. Perhaps only a minority of it is.

    All in all, things won't get off hand because: a) the man seems to be willing to leave his place; b) Brazil would quickly intervene.

    Sometimes I wish Brazil keeps sorting out its problem so the rest of South America can follow the same track. But Brazil will end up playing the role of the United States. Power always results in the same thing.

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    Swift justice.

    If I had to get impeached, I guess I'd prefer it's for lying about getting a blowjob.
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    Libya, Syria, the rest of Arab Spring, and now South America. The Mayans tried to warn us, but we didn't listen. If you haven't started prepping for December 12, it's already too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Libya, Syria, the rest of Arab Spring, and now South America. The Mayans tried to warn us, but we didn't listen. If you haven't started prepping for December 12, it's already too late.
    December 21. You have few days more

    Oh, and there is police riot in Bolivia with possibility of coup d'état

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    Clearly the only sensible solution left is to bomb everything south of the panama canal, we cannot let this unrest spread!

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    All the lefties claiming it's a coup d'etat and not recognizing the new government are surely helping with stability.

    Everything was done according to the law and the constitution. If some paraguayans don't like it then then they should change the constitution or choose senators who won't vote their president out of office.

    I don't see the same regional governments who are withdrawing ambassadors and so worried about the institutional order in Paraguay complainig about the state of democracy in Cuba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay View Post
    All the lefties claiming it's a coup d'etat and not recognizing the new government are surely helping with stability.
    Yeah that makes sense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay
    Everything was done according to the law and the constitution.
    If that is the case then why is the Brazilian government saying "the right to a full defense was not assured", I think it will be hard to argue that an impeachment that only takes 1 day is legal and constitutional.


    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay
    If some paraguayans don't like it then then they should change the constitution or choose senators who won't vote their president out of office.
    Because everyone knows how honest and fair Paraguay's governments have been in the past.


    As for Cuba...the boogeyman of the Americas, we all know they are the greatest threat to liberty and justice in the world today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selder View Post
    Yeah that makes sense...



    If that is the case then why is the Brazilian government saying "the right to a full defense was not assured", I think it will be hard to argue that an impeachment that only takes 1 day is legal and constitutional.




    Because everyone knows how honest and fair Paraguay's governments have been in the past.


    As for Cuba...the boogeyman of the Americas, we all know they are the greatest threat to liberty and justice in the world today.
    It wasn't a penal trial, it was a political one therefore it doesn't follow the same rules and due process is determined by what the country's constitution says about it and brazil should keep its mouth shut.

    What previous governments did isn't of relevance if it is in the constitution and no one wanted to change it, maybe now there will be a movement to reform it but what happened can't be called a coup d'etat by no means. Maybe Lugo shouldn't have ed over it's alliances, it's been years since he's lost control of the parliament.

    Cuba can't be called democratic by not even the most rabid communists, if the leaders of the region are so worried about what happened in Paraguay why they don't care about Cuba?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay View Post
    It wasn't a penal trial, it was a political one therefore it doesn't follow the same rules and due process is determined by what the country's constitution says about it
    Impeachment is not meant to be used as a political weapon, Lugo won an election by a majority of the people. If the people had called for impeachment you could make the case, however in this situation it was used because other politicians wanted to get rid of him. They have every right to call for impeachment and then he has every right to defend against it. The process should take more than one day I would imagine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay
    Maybe Lugo shouldn't have ed over it's alliances, it's been years since he's lost control of the parliament.
    So you admit it is political

    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay
    Cuba can't be called democratic by not even the most rabid communists, if the leaders of the region are so worried about what happened in Paraguay why they don't care about Cuba?
    Neither is China for that matter but what does that have to do with Paraguay?

    Looks like Paraguay now has two governments...

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    I'm impressed at how peaceful the transition has been.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ΩDerpy HoovesΩ View Post
    I'm impressed at how peaceful the transition has been.
    That really is attributed to Lugo's calls for his supporters to be calm, He even mentioned
    Roman Catholic bishops visited him before Friday's Senate trial, and he told them he agreed to accept the outcome of a process he considered illegitimate only to avoid bloodshed.
    Lugo also said today that he plans to attend the Mercosur summit in Argentina this week so will he be recognised as Paraguay's president by the other 3 members? It looks like he has not yet begun to fight. The US has not taken a side as of yet.
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    Not really a coup up until the leftards at UNASUR can prove proceedure has been significantly tainted, bribery or other illegal maneuvers are uncovered.

    Up until that's solved the situation is a controversial destitution, and no I'm not aware of ''the reasons'' being a particular aspect that can be genuinely raised to nullify impeachments.

    As a general rule of thumb one should understand that except for Chile and Uruguay(and Colombia as well) most presidents in Latinamerican Democracies are either too strong or too weak, in Lugo's case he played the cards badly and ended up in the wrong side of the political spectrum.

    Also, Brazil is playing it's cards well in here... bussines is bussines and Paraguay's veto was the only thing in between Venezuela and the MERCOSUR.
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