American Revolution 1776-1783

[Don504]

Here's a tread to talk about everything involved in the American Revolution and how it should be represented in the game.
The American Revolution 1776 - 1783

United States

Pre-Continental Army Line Infantry Connecticut ---------- Fourth Connecticut Regiment Delaware ---------- (Delaware Blues) First Delaware Regiment Georgia ---------- First Georgia Regiment Maryland ---------- (Smallwood's) First Maryland Regiment Massachusetts ---------- Ninth Massachusetts Regiment New Hampshire ---------- Second New Hampshire Regiment New Jersey ---------- (Jersey Blues) Third New Jersey Regiment New York ---------- Third New York Regiment North Carolina ----------Third North Carolina Regiment Pennsylvania ---------- Second Pennsylvania Regiment Rhode Island ---------- Second Rhode Island Regiment South Carolina ---------- First South Carolina Regiment Virginia ---------- Second Virginia Regiment Riflemen Morgan's Riflemen (Elite Riflemen) Riflemen Light Dragoons 1st Continental Light Dragoons Light Horse Light Horse of the City of Philadelphia Volunteer or Militia Minutemen Militia Elite Corps Second Canadian Regiment (Congress' Own) First Rhode Island Regiment Guard Commander in Chief's Guard Grenadiers 26th Regiment Grenadiers (George Washington's Grenadiers) Marines Captain Robert Mullan's Company (Continental Marines) Artillery Knox's Artillery Continental Army Uniform Regulations of 1779-1783 Line Infantry White-New England (New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island) Buff-New York, New Jersey Red-Mid Atlantic States (Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia) Blue-Southern States (North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia) Light Infantry Light infantry of 1780 Riflemen Continental rifle corps 1778-1779 Artillery Continental Artillery Corps Technology Uniform Regulations (1779 Uniform Regulations)

Britain

British Loyalist and Hessian Troops in America A 5-unit roster for Britain Hessian Line Infantry (Based off of Fusilier-Regiment von Lossberg) Loyalist Rangers (Based off of the Queen's Rangers) Loyalist Line Infantry (Based off of the King's New York Regiment) Mounted Jagers Jagers

Spain

Important: This has not been decided yet, I'm just suggesting and I would like to have your thoughts. Spanish Louisiana Colonial Troops Under Bernardo de Galvez Fusiliers Grenadiers Light Infantry (Cazadores) Carabiniers (Carabineros) Dragoons (Based off of the Regiment of Dragoons of America) Artillery Technology French Gribeauval Artillery System

Post-American Revolution 1784-1796

The United States

The Legion of the United States 1792 - 1796 Line Infantry, Light Infantry, Riflemen First Sub Legion (White Binding upon their caps, with White Plumes and Black Hair) Second Sub Legion (Red Binding upon their caps, with Red Plumes and White Hair) Third Sub Legion (Yellow Binding upon their caps, with Yellow Plumes and Black Hair) Fourth Sub Legion (Green Binding upon their caps, with Green Plumes and White Hair) Officers wear same caps as their Sub Legion in action, but plain Cock'd Hats with no other distinctive marks but the plumes of their Sub Legion. All Composed of Riflemen, light infantry, and Infantry; Artillery and Light Dragoons were assigned as necessary. Light Dragoons Light Dragoon 1792-1797 Artillery Artillery Crops of 1796-1997 Technology Legion of the United States

Updated August 4/2012

[Flikitos]

Nice idea buddy!

[jackwei]

In terms of general and officer generic uniforms for the american revolution i would say these ones in this picture of the surrender of general Burgoyne's army at the Battle of Saratoga 1777.

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[Don504]

Thanks, that could work for the generic general, but I will try to get the team to make the correct officers and drummers for each regiment. That would make 39 textures, and a few less models just for the line infantry, maybe in an expansion.

[wangrin]

As an idea about the time need to create models, I've spend 6 month to create the 44 models need for early French and English, and only 3d models as I don't work on textures.
And approximatively 2/3 of them are only slight modifications from base models.

I.S3 is a long term project that will need years of work to be finished

[HighOnTea]

May I suggest that 1st Rhode Island could fit somewhat better to depict it's state?


"Baron von Closen, second in command of the French troops, declared that the Black Regiment of Rhode Island was the best American unit, "the most neatly dressed, the best under arms, and the most precise in it's movements.""- NOT MY WORDS

Kind of elite unit which consisted of black men dressed in white(what a contrast) should spread fear in enemies' lines. +1 it gives credit to the men who fought and died back then.

[bloody bill]

May I suggest that 1st Rhode Island could fit somewhat better to depict it's state?


"Baron von Closen, second in command of the French troops, declared that the Black Regiment of Rhode Island was the best American unit, "the most neatly dressed, the best under arms, and the most precise in it's movements.""- NOT MY WORDS

Kind of elite unit which consisted of black men dressed in white(what a contrast) should spread fear in enemies' lines. +1 it gives credit to the men who fought and died back then.

The 1st Rhode Island Infantry was a regiment of mixed companies. It had a few companies of Black infantry that came in later as replacements. From the records of the American Revolution the Regiment was close to 50/50 on white and black troops. The Regiments only main action of note was its defense of Fort Mercer. I dont see how it could be an elite regiment but I think the idea of having a black regiment is a good idea.

[HighOnTea]

You have a good point, but when we say elite it means it is superior to line infantry units in only a limited number of ways: morale, melee, inspire friendly units, scare enemies(preferably).

[Don504]

@ Wangrin Ahh, yes I understand, it would be impractical to make 39 than say 15 textures/models.

@ JustDoit8 If you say it's more of an elite, then why not, I also listed the Congress' Own as a elite, here let me put that up.

[wangrin]

It's not impractical, it simply took a lot of time.

[HighOnTea]

If you guys have seen Blue vs Grey mod,than you should have noticed that regiments there have both the national flag and unique regimental colours. How about taking this in concideration for the future?

[Don504]

Well, I think you can only have the two flags if they are static, if you want a moving one, you'll have to settle for one flag.

But if you get permission to use it, we may make it an option for either one moving flag or two static regiment and national flag.

[wangrin]

Yes, you're right, those flags are statics.
Such feature is not difficult to add, you have to create a new equipment (pole with rigid flag).

But :

• you have to replace the musician with the second flag bearer ;
• those flags are rigid ;

So, personally, I don't think it's worth to add those feature.

[HighOnTea]

Yes, you're right, those flags are statics.
Such feature is not difficult to add, you have to create a new equipment (pole with rigid flag).

But :

• you have to replace the musician with the second flag bearer ;
• those flags are rigid ;

So, personally, I don't think it's worth to add those feature.

You are right. It's NTW which has two musicians. One moving flag it is then

[HighOnTea]

Some uniform references I've found

2nd South Carolina regiment - Maybe this one is better?
Attachment 228844

2nd New Hampshire regiment
Attachment 228846

2nd New Jersey Regiment -Just suggesting:tongue (in terms of unit models,easier to make,as only paint job requierd)
Attachment 228843

[jackwei]

Which Regiment do you think the generic line infantry skin should be based upon??

[Don504]

@ Jackwei Take a look up at the first post,I listed the regiments that will represent the line infantry that will be recruitible for that specific colony.
If you have a suggestion for which regiment, feel free to post.

@ JustDoit8 here take a look at this

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The 1st South Carolina was organized during the summer 1775 at Charleston to consist of ten companies from eastern South Carolina. Assigned to the Southern Department it served exclusively in the South. The regiment saw action at the siege of Savannah and then in thesiege of Charleston. It was captured at Charleston on May 12, 1780 together with the rest of the Southern Department by the British Army. The 1st was consolidated February 11, 1780 with the 5th South Carolina Regiment and designated as the 1st South Carolina Regiment. The 1st Regiment was then reorganized December 11, 1782, furloughed May 14, 1783 at Charleston and disbanded on November 15, 1783. South Carolina regiments wore very dark blue coats—sometimes described as black—faced in red. Unique to them was the wearing of a curiously shaped leather cap bearing the state’s crescent-moon badge in silver. That for the 1st Regiment bore the legend “ULTIMA RATIO”. The regiment numbered 450 when surrendered at Charleston.

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The 2nd South Carolina wore the peculiar state leather cap with silver crescent insignia, theirs bearing the legend “LIBERTY”or “LIBERTY OR DEATH”in remembrance of Patrick Henry’s resolute words in the Virginia House of Burgesses at war’s commencement. Virtually a carbon copy, organization and service of the 2nd Regiment mirrored those of the 1st South Carolina, as well its fate at Charleston.When surrendered the 2nd numbered 395. The regiment was disbanded on January 1, 1783. Clothing and equipment also conformed to those of the 1st Regiment.

If you compare the two, I think the first is more important and more representative?
Quoted from the book Uniforms of the American Revolution 1775-1783, Volume 1

As for the New Jersey Regiment, it will be worth the effort no?

[jackwei]

@ Jackwei Take a look up at the first post,I listed the regiments that will represent the line infantry that will be recruitible for that specific colony.
If you have a suggestion for which regiment, feel free to post.

@ JustDoit8 here take a look at this


If you compare the two, I think the first is more important and more representative?
Quoted from the book Uniforms of the American Revolution 1775-1783, Volume 1

As for the New Jersey Regiment, it will be worth the effort no?

Thanks

It seems like everything is covered here and can't wait to see a proper US general instead of a vanilla general.

[HighOnTea]

@ Jackwei Take a look up at the first post,I listed the regiments that will represent the line infantry that will be recruitible for that specific colony.
If you have a suggestion for which regiment, feel free to post.

@ JustDoit8 here take a look at this


If you compare the two, I think the first is more important and more representative?
Quoted from the book Uniforms of the American Revolution 1775-1783, Volume 1

As for the New Jersey Regiment, it will be worth the effort no?

Actually,you are right about representativeness of 1st SC regiment. And if I'm right,the 1st and the 2nd SC regiments had same uniform( most notable feature-leather hat with silver crescent,should give more variety of line troops) .By the way, a unit of 1st American regiment, The Queen's Rangers, had the same kind of uniform. Same model with paint job and a british light infantry unit could be added
Attachment 228993
And as I wrote concerning the 2nd New Jersey regiment,it is worth it,as shouldn't require extra time for new models and could share parts(or serve as base) with other line infantry regiments of 13 colonies.

[ToonTotalWar]

Save yourself some time here, most of those units are in the TAR mod ready.