Would Rome ever get rebel -maybe a bug too

[iosys]

Hello

I play Venice and first in my mind is to rule over whole Italy (a bit of nationalism ) sea over 3 borders helps a lot BTW.

Take Rome by force would cause me a lot of troubles with Catholic country so my plan was
First gift a tow to Pope in the middle east leaving the Pope where to stay afterward
sending SPY in town and sending Assassin destroying public building

The Public order got down 30-40% for a couple of turn, city in riot but no way to get it a Rebel town.

Even Worst after a couple of the Pope died a new one was elected and magically public order back to 140% and all destroyed building (5!) recovered in one turn

Does Rome ever get Rebel?

The magic building and PO restoration after election is wanted or a bug?

[tudor93]

The Public order got down 30-40% for a couple of turn, city in riot but no way to get it a Rebel town.
Does Rome ever get Rebel?

it's not just Rome, AI's cities can't rebel because of the massive public order bonuses; the AI also has some pop. growth bonuses

[PapaRosario]

it's not just Rome, AI's cities can't rebel because of the massive public order bonuses; the AI also has some pop. growth bonuses

But the public order bonuses they receive are taken into account in the number displayed. If the public order on the settlement sheet displayed 30-40%, that is including the AI bonuses.

[tudor93]

But the public order bonuses they receive are taken into account in the number displayed. If the public order on the settlement sheet displayed 30-40%, that is including the AI bonuses.

yeah ... I've been thinking about the same thing when I posted, but that damn city just won't revolt !

[Had]

But the public order bonuses they receive are taken into account in the number displayed. If the public order on the settlement sheet displayed 30-40%, that is including the AI bonuses.

Revolt and going rebel is not the same, if the public order drops below 70% the peasants will revolt, but the city will go rebel only the next turn (if it stays below 70%). I have seen peasant revolts in AI cities quite often, none of them became a rebellion later.

[Duck of Death]

Yea, if you want to take rome... wait till the time is right (the Pope is old and is likely to die, and is out of the city).
That way he's still close by after you take the city and you can try to buy peace with, like you said, some out-of-the-way province for him to re-settle in.
If he wont re-communicate you... you can try assassinating him and hope the new pope is more reasonable.

The important thing being... you dont want to stay ex-commed to long or the other Catholics will start to hate you and you could get a crusade called on you.

I usually like to stick the Pope on that tiny island east of Spain for safe keeping
The only ones I ever see attack that island are the Moors, and after a few turns the papal army builds up enough that it would take a major offensive from them to take it (and the popes armies would be cramed up right next to the city at this point so they cant be snuck up on.

[Paragon]

You get the crown of Italy without Rome anyway.

[iosys]

You get the crown of Italy without Rome anyway.

There is only one possible capital for Italy and my empire

BTW crown isn't correct as I play a republic

Revolt and going rebel is not the same, if the public order drops below 70% the peasants will revolt, but the city will go rebel only the next turn (if it stays below 70%). I have seen peasant revolts in AI cities quite often, none of them became a rebellion later

Not quite I had Rome below for more than 1 turn still no Rebel;

Besides I still do not understand the full restore buildings and PO after new Pope election

[k/t]

Give him territories in another place until he changes capitals. Then you'll be able to buy Rome.

[Paragon]

Yeah, well, you know what I mean with crown, the trait for faction leaders.

[iosys]

Yeah, well, you know what I mean with crown, the trait for faction leaders.

Yes of course, just an observation, after all the game itself consider Venice like a kingdom, which Dogato lifelong charge and inherited into the family instead election

It would be interesting feature for a MOD introduce in the game republic where Senate as ruler
and family members become kinda Aristocratic members
Or the faction leader is indeed the leader of the stronger political faction who more often get the Doge elected from within.

[k/t]

You can change whether a faction has a ruling family or not by giving it the Teutonic Order system. I thought that was already implemented in SS.

[iosys]

please explain
how could I apply teutonic order way to peak a leader in venice?

[k/t]

You wouldn't get to pick the leader except indirectly - by making sure he had the most Authority.

You can also get the Choose Your Next Heir mod.

[Waffen9999]

Only problem is if you choose the Teutonic Order system, you lose the "of ____ blood" traits.

[iosys]

That's is exactly what I want and not warried about the blood trait, but stiil I do not wunderstand ho to applay it to Venice in my (new?) campain

[k/t]

You can add some new traits to make up for that.

[k/t]

D:\SEGA\Medieval 2 Total War\mods\Stainless_Steel_6\data -> descr_sm_factions.txt

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faction venice
culture southern_european
religion catholic
symbol models_strat/symbol_venice.CAS
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour red 121, green 3, blue 3
secondary_colour red 255, green 215, blue 0;red 221, green 176, blue 69
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_venice.tga
standard_index 0
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small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
triumph_value 5
intro_movie faction/major_intro.bik
victory_movie faction/venice_win.bik
defeat_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
death_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
custom_battle_availability yes
can_sap no
prefers_naval_invasions yes
can_have_princess yes
has_family_tree yes

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

faction teutonic_order, spawned_on_event
culture northern_european
religion catholic
symbol models_strat/symbol_teutonic_order.cas
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour red 3, green 3, blue 3
secondary_colour red 255, green 255, blue 255
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_england.tga
standard_index 24
logo_index FACTION_LOGO_TEUTONIC_ORDER
small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_TEUTONIC_ORDER
triumph_value 5
custom_battle_availability yes
horde_min_units 10
horde_max_units 20
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 10
horde_unit_per_settlement_population 250
horde_min_named_characters 2
horde_max_percent_army_stack 80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture 0
horde_unit Order Militia
horde_unit Prussian Archers
horde_unit Sword Brethren
horde_unit Burgher Pikemen
horde_unit Christ Knights
horde_unit Knechten
horde_unit Ritterbruder
horde_unit Dismounted Ritterbruder
can_sap no
prefers_naval_invasions no
can_have_princess no
has_family_tree no

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

D:\SEGA\Medieval 2 Total War\mods\Stainless_Steel_6\data -> descr_sm_factions.txt

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faction venice
culture southern_european
religion catholic
symbol models_strat/symbol_venice.CAS
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour red 121, green 3, blue 3
secondary_colour red 255, green 215, blue 0;red 221, green 176, blue 69
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_venice.tga
standard_index 0
logo_index FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
triumph_value 5
intro_movie faction/major_intro.bik
victory_movie faction/venice_win.bik
defeat_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
death_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
custom_battle_availability yes
can_sap no
prefers_naval_invasions yes
can_have_princess yes
has_family_tree yes

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faction teutonic_order, spawned_on_event
culture northern_european
religion catholic
symbol models_strat/symbol_teutonic_order.cas
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour red 3, green 3, blue 3
secondary_colour red 255, green 255, blue 255
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_england.tga
standard_index 24
logo_index FACTION_LOGO_TEUTONIC_ORDER
small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_TEUTONIC_ORDER
triumph_value 5
custom_battle_availability yes
horde_min_units 10
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horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 10
horde_unit_per_settlement_population 250
horde_min_named_characters 2
horde_max_percent_army_stack 80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture 0
horde_unit Order Militia
horde_unit Prussian Archers
horde_unit Sword Brethren
horde_unit Burgher Pikemen
horde_unit Christ Knights
horde_unit Knechten
horde_unit Ritterbruder
horde_unit Dismounted Ritterbruder
can_sap no
prefers_naval_invasions no
can_have_princess no
has_family_tree no

Nice never new this was possible awesome ! , Im Gonna apply it to Genoa too ^^

[k/t]

Novgorod and Kiev should have it too, since the boyars elected the czar.