THE USA AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

[Revolutionary Mind]

What are the historical, political, ideological and economic factors and actors that now define the dynamics and configuration of power in the world and what is the U.S. position in what is known as New World Order?


This is the question which was treated in the debate between the philosophers Olavo de Carvalho and the philosopher Alexandr Dugin.

Link for the debate: http://debateolavodugin.blogspot.com...structure.html

A brief summary of the thinkers who are in debate:

Olavo de Carvalho, b. 1947, is a Brazilian philosopher and writer who is currently living in the United States after having taught political philosophy at the Catholic University of Paraná, Brazil, from 2001 to 2005. The author of a dozen books on philosophical and political matters, he is a respected weekly columnist with a wide following in his native Brazil and an increasingly popular public speaker in this country. He has spoken at the Hudson Institute, the Atlas Foundation, and the America's Future Foundation, and has been honored by critics as one of the most original and daring Brazilian thinkers.

Aleksandr Gel'yevich Dugin, born in 1962 in Moscow. Ph.D. Married, two children. 9 foreign languages. Up to the end of 1980's participated actively in patriotic movements, published a number of articles and texts on different subjects: politics, politology, philosophy, history, geopolitics and translated and published the books of many conservative thinkers like René Guenon, Julius Evola, Gustav Meyrink and so on.

[Exarch]

which new world order are you referring to?

the post gulf war 1, Bush I "New World Order"?
or the conspiracy NWO?
or the current post GFC world order?

[Revolutionary Mind]

which new world order are you referring to?

the post gulf war 1, Bush I "New World Order"?
or the conspiracy NWO?
or the current post GFC world order?

I did not saw any of these topics.

Anyway, according to Mr.Dugin, the configuration of world politics is still in the transaction; and then, Mr.Olavo shows, let's say, ''the global dialetics:

For him - Mr.Olavo, there is 3 groups fighting for the global power. They are:

-The Meta-capitalists from the west( Bildenbergs, European Union, Council of foreign relations).

-The Russian-Chinese Communist Elite( Chinese and Russian secret services, like the Kgb aka FSB).

-The Muslim Brotherhood and their project for the empire of a global caliphate.

And out of these three groups, there are associations that fight, according to the region and their sphere of influence, against these three specified groups, but they do not form a coalition together and has no pretensions to global power, but only avoiding destruction.

For instance:

Catholic Church

USA Protestantism and traditional USA conservatives

Israel

European nationalist Right.

[Revolutionary Mind]

Still reading the debate, and in my view, Mr.Dugin is not quite right in saying that the entirely west civilization carry the Popperian tradition of a free society, which results in what he names as American Atlanticism. I really think that, let's say, ''atlanticism ideolgy'' exists in the west, but we cannot say that it is ingrained in the minds of all us Westerners - especially in the United States.

Mr.Carvalho is more cautious specifying the various political and ideological currents in vogue in USA, showing us the internal struggle that affects the U.S. among conservatives influenced by the founding fathers against the transnational elite embodied in most of the liberals politicians and the neo-conservatives.

[Col. Tartleton]

I should like to mention that the "New World Order" refers to a system in which the US is the major player in world affairs, classical liberalism is the major export, and the people of the world move towards peace and prosperity. The "Old World Order" refers to Europe as the major player in world affairs.

Thank you very much.



If I have to explain the poster, it's showing that the "Old Order" was evil, and therefore one might presume that the "New Order" of things will be a nice change.

Tyranny is as old as mankind. Liberty is something new and precious.

I'm not sure why this is so confusing for people.

Pat Robertson, Christian Right Anti Semite is the idiot who started this "New World Order" "The Jews" .

I'm sorry this is complicated, but "Bankers" and "Cabals" etc. usually means "Jews" when spoken about this way. This is the kind of paranoia that contributed to the ummm... "Holocaust" thing. You know, where the anti Semites killed a ton of people because they were determined to be racially impure subhumans... Also went after the handicapped and other minorities. Yeah... Believe it or not the initial offering was going after the crooks, traitors, and bankers who back stabbed Germany.

[Flypurplehamster]

Honestly?
1. The strong Russia-China alliance is a total myth. For a while, nuclear war between the two countries was a possible event, and the countries had border skirmishes. Certainly, though, not now, the countries are polar opposites, if not in style of management, but in ideology: the Russians have a capitalist oligarchy, while the Chinese have a totalitarian bureaucracy. China is easily traversable, heavily developed, and easily capable of control, while the vast Siberian taiga is simply raw-materials production left mostly to its undeveloped self. Er, Russia isn’t even communist.
2. The Muslim Brotherhood? Utterly disunited, occasionally controls a government or two. I’d say their project right now is to remove Shiism from the equation and it’s not really working. Hell, they can’t even make a small caliphate, let alone a global one. There’s not even a project for picking a caliph. Where is this stuff even coming from?