The Curia (86 BCE)

[Okmin]

The Curia, Rome

The Curia of 86 BCE is now in session.

Magistrates

Consul

Maximus Caesoninus et Gaius Marius Aquila

Pro-Consul of Graecia et Asia

Quintus Valerius

Pro-Consul of Iberia

Vacant

Pro-Consul of Sicilia et Africa

Vacant

Pro-Consul of Gallia

Maximinus Atilius Regulus

Aedile

Vacant

Quaestor

Titus Flavius Scipio (aux)

Tribune

Vacant

Praetor

Sextus Tuccius Alexander

Events

Major storms have moved in around Italy, forcing all ships to stay in port and shutting down all trade.

Plebian Roll

Military Reforms (1 point)

Plebeian Approval Rating: 0

Pressing Matters

• Several magistracies must be filled

[Rhapture]

Domitus takes his seat and waits for the Dictator to open the session.

[Okmin]

Aquila arrives in the Curia to declare the session open.

"Well, I think we can all be thankful that no one's started a war yet this year."

[Rhapture]

"Proconsul Valerius is still waiting for word on what the Senate wants to do in regards to Pontus."

[General Brewster]

Maximus Ceasonius walks in the Curia in his battle uniform.

Senators, I have returned. With great shock I up serve there is still a dictator. Are we going back to the days of the kings ?
With my long time with the troops in Iberia I move to get this law approved.


Lex legionair :*

I. A legion shall be equipped with it's own symbol. *
II. A legion shall be equipped with a golden eagle, if lost in battle and not regained within a month the commander is violating the law.*
III. A commander who lost an eagle but not his own life may be prosecuted.*
IV. Legions shall receive new weaponry each decade at a cost of 6000 denarii.*
V. A legion shall retire after 20 years, a chose will be given that for 20.000 denarii there sons take over there fathers duty and the legion shall remain in active duty.*

[Rhapture]

Domitus stands in amazement.

"Consul, what is this? Why are you in battle dress? There are no weapons allowed in Rome and we wear togas in the Senate!"

[General Brewster]

I wear no sword. Nor any weapon. I had no time to recloth myself.

[Rhapture]

"We will excuse your attire for the moment and move on to your bill."

Domitus clears his throat.

"You are proposing that if you lose a legion, you must either die or be prosecuted? What is the reason for this foolishnes? Isn't the loss of dignity and honor shame enough for losing a legion? Also a Roman citizen is free to decide his own path in life, if he is successful he can even become a Senator, now you wish to mandate military service?"

[General Brewster]

The republic has 26 legions. 156.000 men. Yes We must make a conscription. Where are we going to find 312.000 people over 10 years ? To replenish the current ones and the new recruited by that time. Going to ask Mars/Jupiter(I dont know) to sent some soldiers down here or what?

OOC :

Not having it is rather ridiculous. We have more legions then Rome ever had, well almost.

[Rhapture]

"Who says we need 26 legions? We can always cut back on how many legions are active."

[Rhapture]

Domitus counters Maximus' proposal.

"We already have laws on the books for bad management of armies and provinces, and I would argue the legions should be in charge of the upkeep of their own equipment a good sword should last many years.

Lex Legionary

-All legions shall be entrusted with an eagle as a symbol of Rome
-All legions inactive (any battle) for 5 years shall retire in the province they are in. Proconsular legions exempted.
-Legions can be kept active for another 5 years for 20,000 denarii.
-Any retired legion may be recalled at half cost, but double the yearly cost.

[General Brewster]

So we pay our soldiers, they fight for us and die for us without question but we won't pay for there equipment ? what are we ? barbarians ?

[Rhapture]

"The republic buys their armor and arms when they are recruited. We pay for their pilla replenishment. We provide blacksmiths for repairs. The legionaries should be able to keep their equipment in good condition, they are not made out of wood. Also my proposal would replenish supplies every five years."

[General Brewster]

You just said they should pay for there own equipment..

[Rhapture]

No I said they should be in charge of its upkeep. Polishing, sharpening, keep the it wrapped properly when not in use, things of that nature.

[Rhapture]

We are not that far apart, we can come to a compromise.

[General Brewster]

Lex Legionaries

I. All legions shall be equipped with a golden eagle standard, If lost in battle, it must be recaptured.
II. Legions shall receive new weapons and armor each decade at a cost of 6000 denarii.
III.All legions inactive (any battle) for 5 years shall retire in the province they are in. Proconsular legions exempted.
IV.Legions can be kept active for another 5 years for 10,000 denarii.
V. Legions shall retire from service after 20yrs, or conscripts can be selected for 20,000 denarii
VI. The republic shall know a "suspended" conscription. this will mean when the army or navy needs personnel, young man can be selected for military service.

[Rhapture]

I second the measure

[Lucius Malfoy]

Decimus stands up at this bill.

I am against this bill. Though I understand the first and last parts...the rest does not make sense.

Decimus then steps forth.

We cannot continue to make new weapons and armor every decade...we do not have the means to do so. We cannot simple mass produce these and give a legion them every decade. Legions do not retire either...this is the standing army of the Republic! Not some levied army. We have the standing army for a reason...to keep the Rome and her borders safe and secure. They must always remain active. And what about this fee to keep legions active? Are the legions some levied group of peasants now? This is the mighty and veteran armies of Rome!! What is the point of this bill? There is no need for this reform.

Decimus looks at Aquila.

Esteemed dictator of Rome and the Republic, veto this bill! It is not necessary at all...our current military system is fine and good as it is.. If anything, there should be a bill about legionary discipline and punishment for the recent actions of six legions that took matters into their own hands!

[Okmin]

"Decimus makes a very good argument. Also, clause V is very vague as to what exactly these conscripts are being selected for. Voting on the bill is canceled until we have sufficient time to discuss these issues."