[RELEASE] AOR 2.3, a massive balancing submod for FRoGS

[MrExpendable]

always good to hear someone is enjoying all the stuff

as for the bodyguards:
the Osgilliath Veterans and Elven Kinslayers and some other bodyguards are even smaller than the rank and file bodyguards, since they are unique units in the campain, and get more soldiers due to the general they are assigned to (e.g. boromir and elrond)
the rank and file bodyguards are quite small for the following reason: in most other mods players form armies largely consisting of bodyguards, since they get losses replaced for free - i want to avoid this highly illogical behavior, you know, getting some of the best soldiers for free

also, consider this: why would every small noble in the kingdome get such a huge bodyguard? after all, those soldiers are supposed to be loyal retainers of a general, can't see every general have loads of loyal followers
faction leader and heir units still are big enough, even with those reduced numbers, if you ask me - for them, there is some good reason to have a larger bodyguard
furthermore, in most cases the general joins the battle to lead his soilders, not to fight himself in the thick of it, you really should keep your most important man out of the fighting - a general is supposed to win the battle by leading, not by slaying most men himself

i hope to have explained my reasoning a bit, further comments are welcome

Thank you for your response, I'm glad that you're responding to the feedback given.

I understand the reasoning behind your choice. A general wouldn't have lots of loyal retainers, I agree on that. And yes, they should be made to command most of the time. Look, I've always liked the way how many of these generals were able to slaughter lots of enemies, and maybe I wanted to replicate this in the game a bit too much. While I know that leading your generals into the thick of the battle is a very risky move to say the least, it was quite tempting for me to do so. Maybe these smaller bodyguards will keep me from doing that.

Anyway, could you suggest some tactics to still make the bodyguard a valuable asset as a fighting unit? Maybe using them in combination with other troops, by flanking or holding positions? Thanks in advance.

[fightermedic]

since most bodyguards are mounted lancers, they will deal a heavy blow even with only 13 men if you charge a unit in the rear
you have to retreat immediately after the charge though
i once defeated 2 units of bandits (some 400 men) with only 13 mounted dunedain, so you see, they still deal a punch

those bodyguards that are not mounted have more men, and in case of dale or the silvan elves, can fight very well since they are archers, use those to kill the enemies elite units, dont waste them on the low ones, they have armour piercing arrows

[Suppersopp]

I think the bodyguards, specially the mounted is good as it is. Its a pain in the ass to try to kill the generals of Rhun or Harrad, thay seams always to survive as the last man and then flee. Hope you fix some missed units cards, Goblin infanetry, Uruk raidres, one loke kahn unit (think its the archers) and eoreld milita. (at least i think i got the names right) is some that have peasants as cards.

And think i found a another bug, when some of my settlements as He is under siege by OmM and OoGB, they just retreat the round after, even though they are in far majority.

[bushmonster951]

hey this mod is really awesome but every time when i end the turn it crashes when it's eriador's turn except when i play as eriador

[fightermedic]

hey this mod is really awesome but every time when i end the turn it crashes when it's eriador's turn except when i play as eriador

does this happen from turn 1? if not, at which turn does it happen?
can you upload your log file please? (should be in the "medieval total war\logs" folder)

[bushmonster951]

does this happen from turn 1? if not, at which turn does it happen?
can you upload your log file please? (should be in the "medieval total war\logs" folder)

yes it does happen from the first turn

it's just a part of the log because the whole log has too many characters

unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.255 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8111, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.270 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8233, column 274
unit(Rhunnic Flamethrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.270 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8233, column 274
unit(Rhunnic Flamethrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.270 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8233, column 274
unit(Rhunnic Flamethrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(sicily)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(milan)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(egypt)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(england)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(france)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(portugal)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.302 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8448, column 230
unit(hive_thrower) does not match up to the ownership for faction(byzantium)
01:46:12.317 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8505, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.317 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8505, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.317 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8505, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.317 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8520, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.317 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8520, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.317 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8520, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.333 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8588, column 214
unit(Avari_Spearmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.333 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8588, column 214
unit(Avari_Spearmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.333 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8589, column 210
unit(Elf Archer) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.333 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8589, column 210
unit(Elf Archer) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.348 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8730, column 150
unit(Hill Trolls) does not match up to the ownership for faction(timurids)
01:46:12.348 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8746, column 260
unit(Dragonslayers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.364 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8812, column 237
unit(Rhosgobel Sentinels) does not match up to the ownership for faction(milan)
01:46:12.364 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8812, column 237
unit(Rhosgobel Sentinels) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8955, column 269
unit(Blackroot Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(england)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8955, column 269
unit(Blackroot Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(portugal)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8984, column 379
unit(aum Rohan Mounted Axemen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8984, column 379
unit(aum Rohan Mounted Axemen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(france)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8984, column 379
unit(aum Rohan Mounted Axemen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8985, column 387
unit(Rohan Heavy Horsearchers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8985, column 387
unit(Rohan Heavy Horsearchers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(france)
01:46:12.380 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 8985, column 387
unit(Rohan Heavy Horsearchers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9054, column 214
unit(Avari_Spearmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9054, column 214
unit(Avari_Spearmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9055, column 210
unit(Elf Archer) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9055, column 210
unit(Elf Archer) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9072, column 214
unit(Avari_Spearmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9072, column 214
unit(Avari_Spearmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9073, column 211
unit(Elf Archer) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.395 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9073, column 211
unit(Elf Archer) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9123, column 260
unit(Dragonslayers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9124, column 293
unit(Moria Orcs) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9124, column 293
unit(Moria Orcs) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9124, column 293
unit(Moria Orcs) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9125, column 296
unit(Moria Halberd) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9125, column 296
unit(Moria Halberd) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9125, column 296
unit(Moria Halberd) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9126, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9126, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9126, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9164, column 296
unit(Moria Orcs) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9164, column 296
unit(Moria Orcs) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9164, column 296
unit(Moria Orcs) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9165, column 296
unit(Moria Halberd) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9165, column 296
unit(Moria Halberd) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9165, column 296
unit(Moria Halberd) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9166, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9166, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.411 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9166, column 278
unit(Moria Archers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.427 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9223, column 150
unit(Hill Trolls) does not match up to the ownership for faction(timurids)
01:46:12.427 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9239, column 212
unit(Dark_Rangers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(dunland)
01:46:12.427 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9239, column 212
unit(Dark_Rangers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(hre)
01:46:12.427 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9239, column 212
unit(Dark_Rangers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(spain)
01:46:12.427 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9239, column 212
unit(Dark_Rangers) does not match up to the ownership for faction(venice)
01:46:12.427 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9319, column 214
unit(Guardians of Belegost) does not match up to the ownership for faction(byzantium)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9351, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(scotland)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9351, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(moors)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9351, column 265
unit(Arthedain_Swordsmen) does not match up to the ownership for faction(ered)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction milan (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction scotland (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction moors (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction turks (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction egypt (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction mongols (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction lorien (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction dunland (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction ered (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction england (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction france (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction hre (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction portugal (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction spain (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction venice (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction papal_states (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction byzantium (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction timurids (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction russia (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction poland (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction denmark (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.442 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction teutonic_order (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.458 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction anduin (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.458 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction ireland (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.458 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction norway (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.458 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction hungary (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.458 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_buildings.txt, at line 9412, column 3
Building DB error - culture db max settlement level differs from building db max settlement level for faction slave (bdg large_city vs clt huge_city)
01:46:12.458 [data.invalid] [error] Target building level not allowed: Mordor, large_town -> castle, hinterland_roads[1](paved_roads) -> hinterland_castle_roads[1](c_paved_roads)
01:46:12.458 [data.invalid] [error] Target building level not allowed: Orcs of Gundabad, large_town -> castle, hinterland_roads[1](paved_roads) -> hinterland_castle_roads[1](c_paved_roads)
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5386, column 21
Could'n find description string for trait(Fearsaztec) level(Nervous_Near_Ireland_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5387, column 28
Could'n find effect description string for trait(Fearsaztec) level(Nervous_Near_Ireland_effects_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5392, column 11
Could'n find level name description string for trait(Fearsaztec) level(Fears_Ireland).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5393, column 21
Could'n find description string for trait(Fearsaztec) level(Fears_Ireland_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5394, column 28
Could'n find effect description string for trait(Fearsaztec) level(Fears_Ireland_effects_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5423, column 11
Could'n find level name description string for trait(Hatesaztec) level(Hates_Ireland).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5424, column 21
Could'n find description string for trait(Hatesaztec) level(Hates_Ireland_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5425, column 28
Could'n find effect description string for trait(Hatesaztec) level(Hates_Ireland_effects_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5431, column 11
Could'n find level name description string for trait(Hatesaztec) level(Loathes_Heathen_Ireland).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5432, column 21
Could'n find description string for trait(Hatesaztec) level(Loathes_Heathen_Ireland_desc).
01:46:12.833 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 5433, column 28
Could'n find effect description string for trait(Hatesaztec) level(Loathes_Heathen_Ireland_effects_desc).
01:46:12.848 [game.script] [error] Condition parsing error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 16000, column 36
faction name not recognised
01:46:12.848 [game.script] [error] Condition parsing error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 16265, column 36
faction name not recognised
01:46:45.552 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/descr_strat.txt, at line 2473, column 51
you have chosen an invalid tile(292, 266) for Nar (moors)
01:46:45.645 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/descr_strat.txt, at line 7960, column 60
problem with faction relationship, probably an incorrect faction string
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 263, column 34
Building level name beacon_of_minas_tirith not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 280, column 12
Could not find Theoden3, in traits database
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 354, column 34
Building level name beacon_of_minas_tirith not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 371, column 12
Could not find Theoden3, in traits database
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 629, column 34
Building level name beacon_of_edoras not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 719, column 34
Building level name beacon_of_edoras not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.661 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 736, column 12
Could not find Legolas3, in traits database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 999, column 34
Building level name nest_of_great_ravens_dale not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1016, column 12
Could not find Gimli3, in traits database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1092, column 34
Building level name nest_of_great_ravens_dale not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1109, column 12
Could not find Gimli3, in traits database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1373, column 34
Building level name nest_of_great_ravens_dwarves not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1390, column 12
Could not find Bard2, in traits database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1466, column 34
Building level name nest_of_great_ravens_dwarves not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1483, column 12
Could not find Bard2, in traits database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1743, column 34
Building level name drums_of_the_deep_oomm not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 1833, column 34
Building level name drums_of_the_deep_oomm not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 2107, column 34
Building level name drums_of_the_deep_gundabad not found as a level in building database
01:46:45.677 [script.err] [error] Script Error in mods/Third_Age_3_AOR/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt, at line 2197, column 34
Building level name drums_of_the_deep_gundabad not found as a level in building database
01:47:30.223 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

[poloras]

I just downloaded your sub-mod.Everything is okay but when I click custom battle, it crashes and returns to desktop.And I can't play campaign.I click on campaign but it brings me to main menu.How can I fix that?

[bushmonster951]

I just downloaded your sub-mod.Everything is okay but when I click custom battle, it crashes and returns to desktop.And I can't play campaign.I click on campaign but it brings me to main menu.How can I fix that?

delete map.rwm

[Crafty]

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[fightermedic]

sorry for the late response guys, but i was rather busy the last days
the only explanation that i can give is that you may have installed the patch the wrong way


one good piece of news though: i am about 50% finished now with 2.0, we are getting closer

[bushmonster951]

sorry for the late response guys, but i was rather busy the last days
the only explanation that i can give is that you may have installed the patch wrong way


one good piece of news though: i am about 50% finished now with 2.0, we are getting closer

yeah i probably did something wrong, i reinstalled everything and now's working fine

what are you planning to change in 2.0? and keep up the good work because this submod is really awesome

[fightermedic]

yeah i probably did something wrong, i reinstalled everything and now's working fine

what are you planning to change in 2.0? and keep up the good work because this submod is really awesome

glad to hear it works now

my plans for 2.0:
- heirs of isildur submod will be added
- some new units will be added
- most important and the most work: i am in the proces of revamping the complete AOR concept, in 2.0 you will need e.g enough elven culture as the elves to recruit foreign units, and no longer the culture of the faction you try to recruit the units from - this should provide a far more logical AOR system

[Suppersopp]

That spunds good whit the new culture setings. When I play now, im fighting mostly pessant units, hunters and other low tier units form all the faction. And you shuold take a look at Gondor. I played 3 campains now, and in all of then Gondor is getting spanked hard by Harad. Try to fight Harad now as HE and they have like 10 stacs in western Gondor, and it seems like it dosent mather how many i kill

[fightermedic]

i had an exam yesterday, so progress was slow this week, but today i worked a bit on the mod: progress is being made

[gabrielscunha]

Hello there fightermedic,
I've been playing this mod and I'm enjoying it a great deal, you did a really great job revamping frogs, the game now is so much better!
But I have a question: is it normal for the culture o newly captured stettlements to stagnate? I've captured Dol Guldur with silvan elves for almost 20 turns and, build the culture bonus buildings and the elvish culture in Dol Guldor, and in any other settlements (the ones I had started also) doesn't rise! Is this normal? Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?
As a result of this, I only have 10% of elven culture in Dol Guldur and can't recruit NOTHING there.
Thanks in advance!

[fightermedic]

hi, i am glad you like the mod
did you realize that the first cultural building does no longer rise culture? if you build the second building in the chain, culture should rise, though slowly, since changing the culture of a region should be a slow process
(for that reason cultural requirements for recruiting units will be lower in some cases in 2.0, so that i doesn't take THAT long to recruit you own factions units, but you will need more faction to recruit foreign units)

[gabrielscunha]

Is it my impression or now the game is much easier? I'm pwening with Silvan Elves. Also, Harad just started a wat against Mordor (??)

[fightermedic]

it is easier for one reason: the ai cheats less - I have reduced the stack spam a bit
it should not be much easier though, on what difficulty are you playing?

harad attacking mordor? well, thats cool with me if it happens in every 50th game or so, definitely not if it happens all the time - but this is the first time i hear of it (never had it myself)
keep me updated how your campaign is progressing (screenshots of the campaign map are always welcome! (use toggle_fow in the console to remove the fog of war for that)

note: i am as good as done with updating the EDB.txt - only some 20 units left on the way to 2.0!

[gabrielscunha]

Hahah, the campaing is great, is the first time I play with Silvan Elves, maybe their gameplay is easier. Also, I always play on very hard. Isengar just destroyed Rohan (thats understandable, as AI doesn't know how to use cavalry). Dale is the second strongest faction, already destroyed Rhun, and the rest of the factions are holding their line. Myself, I just destroyed Anduin and I'm expanding through the mountains.
Your submod is great, no doubt. Just posted that question because I usually play with Rohan, and when that happens, I get attacked at 3 fronts, I have units, no money, and have to kill Olog-Hai with scouts! haha

[gabrielscunha]

I'm getting CTD always when trying to fight this huge battle against Vale of Anduin.
Here is what the log says:

12:44:41.540 [game.script] [always] Germanicu5 ReallyBadAI v5.6 Running. Please upload log and savegames when reporting battle CTDs for SS.
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43361, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43362, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43363, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43364, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43365, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43366, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.192 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43368, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a4u15'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43368, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a4u16'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43368, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a4u17'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43368, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a4u18'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43368, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a4u19'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43368, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a4u20'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43434, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43435, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43436, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43437, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43438, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43439, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43440, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43441, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43442, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43443, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43444, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43445, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43446, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent unit
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u8'.
12:52:20.193 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u9'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u10'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u11'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u12'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u13'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u14'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u15'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u16'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u17'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u18'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u19'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43448, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a6u20'.
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <label_unit>, at line 43501, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
label_unit referenced non-existent army
12:52:20.194 [game.script] [error] Script execution error for <define_unit_group>, at line 43502, in mods/Third_Age_3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt:
Error in battle script command 'define_unit_group': invalid unit label 'a8u1'
12:52:51.402 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

Any help?