Your least favourite amd most favorite Stark kid? (VERY POSSIBLY SPOILERS FOR ALL BOOKS)

[Stannis Baratheon]

Was just curious to see people's opinion. In most of other houses this would be quite one-sided, but here we have a lot of different opinions. The Starks are quite white characters but they are still very diverse.
I cannot decide if my favourite would be Jon or Arya. Arya is really good character and i feel sorry for her whenever i read about her. You just can't root against her, she had deffinitely suffered most of all Starks. I also don't know how she will ever find peace in future. Poor girl.
Jon became better and more believable character in ADWD and he was really doing a great job as a LC, except for the last part) and is very capable despite extremely hard situation he's been thrown in. I also have too cheer on him, although he's a bit of Gary Stu(less so in the last book).
The least favourite is probably Sansa. She's by far most passive and slow-progressing Stark. The only real change in her thinking happened when her prince charming killed her father. All that fawning over her also doesn't help(ohh, omg, Sansa is going to play the game of thrones, she'll beat Littlefinger, she's going to be the greatest player ever, she'll be Queen in the North, blablabla...why does she get so much credit?) and SanSan(please...no more). I mean she barely learnt how to lie...if she ever beats Littlefinger, that means that he is really a bad player, i think Ned would win over someone like Sansa. Rickon has probably advanced more than her.

[Lord AcidRocker]

I guess everyone of them (except Sansa) has something special about em; but I'd have to go w/ Jon as my fav because he pretty much owns and if he indeed is azor ahai it would make it that much more awesomesauce

inb4 everyone claims Sansa as the least favorite

[Hopelessly Hopeless]

inb4 everyone claims Sansa as the least favorite

Tough luck, then. Sansa is my favourite Stark

Least favourite? Rickon, I guess. Still love him, though

All of them are different persons, with their own flaws and virtues, which makes them special. Saying that everyone but Sansa is special in some way is a mistake.

[Skizbot]

I like them all. I suppose I'd have to put Rickon at the bottom, but that unfair as he's hardly said or done anything yet. Bran and his journey to become a tree has been pretty boring lately, but we'll see where this story takes him. Sansa has really grown on me from ACOK on, she's probably one of my top 10 or 15 characters at this point.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

Kinda true. She basically killed Ned, then doesn't give a about that, but the fact that her "Prince Charming" beats the crap out of her. I HATE Sansa. I hate her more than I hate

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ZombieCat

She really needs to get killed, but then George Martin would probably either fake us out or revive her at this point. She really is just so naive and stupid it's crazy, and the fact that anyone likes her disgusts me. Maybe it's because she's suffered for her actions and you realize how confused she really is? She could've escaped with the Hound, but chose not to, she blamed Arya for her Direwolf being killed (Sansa's fault), and then decides to trust the drunken fool for her escape, and falls right into the hands of the pedophile Littlefinger. Then she trusts Littlefinger after he kissed her (should've been pretty obvious he wants to be a little more than her father)

As for favorite, I'd say either Jon Snow or Ned. Both badass.

[Hopelessly Hopeless]

You read the books quite superficially, didn't you?

I suggest to read more carefully from now on, 'read between the lines' as it were

Kinda true. She basically killed Ned, then doesn't give a about that, but the fact that her "Prince Charming" beats the crap out of her. I HATE Sansa. I hate her more than I hate

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ZombieCat

Sansa didn't 'kill Ned', that's ridiculuous. Do you think Cersei was unaware of Ned moving against her?

It's true that she went to talk to Cersei, because she wanted to stay in King's Landing (a mistake, yes, but she was eleven at the time). She didn't set out to tell on his father.

And it seems you have missed that Sansa pleaded for Ned's life - in fact, had it not been for Joffrey's utter... stupidity, I suppose, she would have been successful and Ned would have been sent to The Wall.

She really is just so naive and stupid it's crazy, and the fact that anyone likes her disgusts me. Maybe it's because she's suffered for her actions and you realize how confused she really is?

Don't take the text at face value, mate. In AGoT she is naive, true. In fact, I think she got the short end of the characterisation stick, so to say. The way GRRM portrays her in the first book is not really coherent with how she is afterwards.

But she gets better. As an example of how she is not ABSOLUTELY stupid: she fools Tyrion, and most of the KL court really, for almost all of ASoS.

And the level to which you hate an eleven year old fictional character is not exactly pleasant either.

She could've escaped with the Hound, but chose not to

The Hound was drunk, had just held a knife at her throat, and at the time was terrified out of his mind. And he had no real plan, really. Remember we meet him later in the Riverlands in ASoS, just walking in the rain.

she blamed Arya for her Direwolf being killed (Sansa's fault)

She was eleven, it was not entirely Sansa's fault (though she shouldn't have lied at Darry), and Arya's recklessness, though understandable, was not helpful.

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then decides to trust the drunken fool for her escape

The Hound was drunk when she offered to take her with him. Quite ironic that you put it that way.

and falls right into the hands of the pedophile Littlefinger.

How could she have known Dontos was Littlefinger's?

Then she trusts Littlefinger after he kissed her (should've been pretty obvious he wants to be a little more than her father)

She doesn't trust Littlefinger FFS - she is pretending to. Unlike you, she noticed she has no choice

Littlefinger has 'blackmail' of sorts on her, what with the Lysa and Marillion situation.

As for favorite, I'd say either Jon Snow or Ned. Both badass.

Yes, they exude awesome. Jon's duel with the Halfhand was great.

[Skizbot]

Kinda true. She basically killed Ned, then doesn't give a about that, but the fact that her "Prince Charming" beats the crap out of her. I HATE Sansa. I hate her more than I hate

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ZombieCat

She really needs to get killed, but then George Martin would probably either fake us out or revive her at this point. She really is just so naive and stupid it's crazy, and the fact that anyone likes her disgusts me. Maybe it's because she's suffered for her actions and you realize how confused she really is? She could've escaped with the Hound, but chose not to, she blamed Arya for her Direwolf being killed (Sansa's fault), and then decides to trust the drunken fool for her escape, and falls right into the hands of the pedophile Littlefinger. Then she trusts Littlefinger after he kissed her (should've been pretty obvious he wants to be a little more than her father)

As for favorite, I'd say either Jon Snow or Ned. Both badass.

She was like, 11 years old in AGOT, right? How much do you expect of an 11 year old child? She was scared and confused and went to Cersei who had been purposely acting like a mother figure to her and seemed like the beautiful Queen from one of the stories she loved so much. She did this because she was freaking eleven. If you want to blame someone for Cersei being able to stop Ned's plan, how about the part where Ned calls a meeting with her to say "Just a heads up, I know your kids are all Jaime's, here is exactly what I'm going to do about it and when I'm going to do it."

You're surprised she didn't go with the Hound? Because of course, what 12 year old girl wouldn't want to set out on an uncertain journey across half of Westeros with a drunken, bloody, murderous adult man who had snuck into her bedroom? And I wouldn't say she "trusts" Littlefinger. She's a member of an exiled house framed for the murder of the king, and Littlefinger, one of the most skilled manipulators in the books, has set himself up as the only person who knows her true identity and can keep her safe.

She's seen her father killed in front of her, had her mother and brother slaughtered for opposing the psychopath she was betrothed to, been forced to marry a grown man from the family that orchestrated her family's downfall, been framed for regicide, and just about every man she meets wants to either rape her or use her for her claim to Wintefell. If your response to all this is "that idiot needs to die", we're going to strongly disagree.

Since shes had to become Alayne, she's matured so much. Becoming a mother figure to Robert Arryn and leaning to play Littlefinger's game has made her very different from the naive girl with her head in the clouds in AGOT. I thought the scene where she builds Winterfell in the snow was one of the most touching in the entire series.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

Good counter-points. I respectfully admit defeat.

However, her treatment of Tyrion, the Hound and anyone who is not "beautiful" but seem to be the only people who don't want to **** (insert four letter word here) her is kinda ridiculous. Maybe it's the fact that I watched the first season of GoT then read the books that I hate her so much, I always picture her actress as her and during Season 1 just found her to be such a ridiculous character that I couldn't do anything but hate her.

As for her trusting Dontos, I tihnk I would trust the crazy drunk who had refused to mistreat me rather than him. I understand she's 11-14 at the time, but most of her decisions make little sense and I was atually able to predict every event that happened to her. She was foolish to trust Dontos over the Hound, no matter how crazy he is. (Just my opinion, mind you)

Also, as for the fact that she's matured, yes you are correct. I just can't find it in my heart not to hate her though. If there's a character who does not deserve any respect for their decisions, it's her. Her naivety and stupidity early on really just cannot be made up for by her cleverness in the later books (If she hadn't been stupid in the first place, she wouldn't be in the current situation). I also hated her for the actions at Darry, and it really established her character and my opinions of that character for the rest of the series.

Maybe my first post was a bit of spam, but still, she's by far the worst Stark (if you don't include the Zombie) and her actions (at least through the first three books) clearly show how idiotic she could be (at times). Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I probably voiced mine in a bad way.

Yes, they exude awesome. Jon's duel with the Halfhand was great.

Not so much on the show

My uncle who watches the show but didn't read the books has no idea what was going on there. They really mangled Jon's story and there was no point on him getting stuck with Ygritte and then getting back with Qhorin.

And it seems you have missed that Sansa pleaded for Ned's life - in fact, had it not been for Joffrey's utter... stupidity, I suppose, she would have been successful and Ned would have been sent to The Wall.

Quite true. Hate Joffrey, and his idiocy was pretty evident in killing Ned, starting the War. What annoyed me about Sansa was "We'll make blonde-hair babies" and her undyin love for him through GoT despite all his moves and then "romantic apologies"

[Lord AcidRocker]

I thought ggggtotalwarrior was trolling :p

[The Forgotten]

Jon for me is the most enjoyable to read about while Arya's chapters are really intresting (at least in Bravos). Never got to know Robb or Rickeon to like or hate them whole lot. Bran's chapters are sometime ok and other times not. At first I hated Sansa as a person although now I don't mind her too much but her chapters can be boring. ( Thats also order on who I like and don't like)

[Stannis Baratheon]

Seeing as there is lot of people liking Sansa, i am curious to ask why? To be true, i actually don't mind her much, she and Bran are both on the bottom to me, although from different reasons(Bran is boring as crap). I like reading Sansa's chapters, although she is still so unaware of her surroundings. I don't blame her for not liking Tyrion, but I would appreciate her much more if she just realised fully what Littlefinger is. She has matured a little, but then, who didn't? Why does everyone think she's going to be such player in the game of thrones on the grounds that she passably knows how to hide her feelings in front of others? What am i missing?

[Hopelessly Hopeless]

Seeing as there is lot of people liking Sansa, i am curious to ask why? To be true, i actually don't mind her much, she and Bran are both on the bottom to me, although from different reasons(Bran is boring as crap). I like reading Sansa's chapters, although she is still so unaware of her surroundings. I don't blame her for not liking Tyrion, but I would appreciate her much more if she just realised fully what Littlefinger is. She has matured a little, but then, who didn't? Why does everyone think she's going to be such player in the game of thrones on the grounds that she passably knows how to hide her feelings in front of others? What am i missing?

She's not unaware of her soroundings. She realised from day one that she would get no help from the court at KL.

Later, in the Vale, she figures out that Lyn Corbray had dealt with Littlefinger almost inmediately - and it was supposedly a secret.

And... 'lot of people liking Sansa'... no, not really

@ggggtotalwarrior

You jest, surely. Sansa is not shallow. For example, unlike most of the world (including the Imp), she doesn't refer to Lollys Stokeworth with derision.

Tyrion jokes about Lollys being gang-raped, mate.

Haven't you realised she has very strong feelings for the Hound? She really, seriously, wants to 'sing for him'

Didn't you realise they have physical contact all over ACoK?

The only thing about Sandor's appearance that really disturbs her are the eyes, because they are full of hatred and all.

As for her 'treatment' of Tyrion... she's been FORCED to marry a man who belongs to the family that killed her father, is trying to kill her brother (and succeeds in doing so), and she's alone in an hostile environment... at the age of thirteen. Perspective...

Do you think she would have found happiness with the Imp? Sorry, there was too much in the middle. They couldn't even have a conversation because they are pretty much enemies, family-wise. And she doesn't despise Tyrion for his looks FFS. Whre did you get that from? Tyrion's chapters? The man is intelligent, not omniscient. Sansa was uncomfortable being in that relation for a lot of other reasons - including that she was planning her escape with Dontos. No one in KL saw THAT coming

About you being able to predict all that happened to her... you don't fully understand her character, so don't say that. It's preposterous. NED killed HIMSELF, really - pinning the blame on her eleven year old daughter, who is a lot like him, really, is irrational. Sansa made a mistake at Darry, true, but Cersei is a , so a wolf would have died anyway. And Arya's brashness did not help in any way.

Besides, you (as the 'reader') know a great deal more about the other characters than Sansa (who had been a prisoner in King's Landing for over a year) does. Put yourself in the character's PoV, with what each character knows at a given time

@Everyone in this thread/forum/whatever

Can I suggest that you read these series of threads from westeros.org?

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php...reading-sansa/

A lot of food for thought there, even if you dislike Sansa. brashcandie and rapsie are extremely intelligent forumers, and their thoughts are, as Kenny Bannia would say: 'Gold [, Jerry], gold!'

[Korpskog]

Favorites Brandon and Arya

Neutral: John and Rickon

Hate: Robb and Sansa

[Pinkie Pie]

What if I can not stand any of them?

[Korpskog]

What if I can not stand any of them?

Then you are a coldhearted evil boy who have no love for his cousins!!

[Pinkie Pie]

I have a good reason to disslike them, the honest Lannisters told me that all of the starks change into wolves and feast on the flesh of men!
Thank the Seven that evil Robb Stark was stopped at my uncle's wedding.

Robb is like his father, he spouts on about his honour only to betray it by marrying the first woman to show him a pair of boobs.

Bran has yet to actualy do anything of interest, the only important thing with him is that he was thrown out of a window which was one of the events that leads to the war.

Rickon is a bit mad and I would not be suprised if he is going around eating people with his wolf on Skagos.

Sansa is deulsional, she has spent most of the books either dreaming of marrying a mad king or dreaming of a drunk fool rescuing her.

Arya, slightly insane and possibly going to turn into a raving lunatic assassin.

Jon: NOT A BLOODY STARK!!

[IrishBlood]

I have a good reason to disslike them, the honest Lannisters told me that all of the starks change into wolves and feast on the flesh of men!
Thank the Seven that evil Robb Stark was stopped at my uncle's wedding.

Robb is like his father, he spouts on about his honour only to betray it by marrying the first woman to show him a pair of boobs.

Bran has yet to actualy do anything of interest, the only important thing with him is that he was thrown out of a window which was one of the events that leads to the war.

Rickon is a bit mad and I would not be suprised if he is going around eating people with his wolf on Skagos.

Sansa is deulsional, she has spent most of the books either dreaming of marrying a mad king or dreaming of a drunk fool rescuing her.

Arya, slightly insane and possibly going to turn into a raving lunatic assassin.

Jon: NOT A BLOODY STARK!!

It was BECAUSE of his honour that Robb was forced to marry the westerling girl, it wasnt like the HBO series. He slept with a girl from a noble house and got her knocked up, so honour demands he marry her. Though I have to say that did make me rage some what

Sansa so ffar I like the least, her chapters were so very whingy and annoying. That said she has started to become far more interesting recently.

[Pinkie Pie]

Lets think on that, Robb ignored a solemn vow he made to wed a Frey girl. He bedded the daughter of an enemy (he never got her pregnant) and decided her honour was more important than his honour, his vow, his crown, his kingdom and his family's honour.
His father spouted on about how honour was the most important thing but in the end he turned on honour to save Sansa.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

His father spouted on about how honour was the most important thing but in the end he turned on honour to save Sansa.

I wouldn't.

[IrishBlood]

Lets think on that, Robb ignored a solemn vow he made to wed a Frey girl. He bedded the daughter of an enemy (he never got her pregnant) and decided her honour was more important than his honour, his vow, his crown, his kingdom and his family's honour.
His father spouted on about how honour was the most important thing but in the end he turned on honour to save Sansa.

My bad, i got the westerling girl and the frey girl that Edmure Tully knocked up It wasnt a case of robb 'bedding' the westerling girl the same way King Robert would have a tavern wench. He was wounded, most likely delerious, and she was tending to his wounds. So its not like he went out of his way to break his vow. He was a stressed out, hormonal teen caught up in a passionate moment after a near death experience, more then forgivable I think.

Besides, it would be dishonourable to sleep with her and then not marry her. Its not like he abandoned his frey wife. They werent married and marrying the girl he deflowered was the honourable choice compared to just abandoning her. Something I think Ned Stark would have agreed with.