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    Oldest Tree

    I am posting this in the 'Living Past' because this is the living past!
    Just wondering if anyone out there has ever visited this tree or photographed it?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tjikko

    Old Tjikko is a 9,550 year old Norway Spruce tree, located on Fulufjället Mountain of Dalarna province in Sweden. Old Tjikko is the world's oldest living individual clonal tree, however, there are many examples of much older clonal colonies (multiple trees connected by a common root system), such as "Pando", estimated to be over 80,000 years old.


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    Last edited by Armatus; October 04, 2010 at 09:37 PM.

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    Is it scientifically verified?
    Edit: Wait nvm, It is old, but not in the sense that ppl usually tend to think.

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    apparently by carbon dating rather than dendrochronology.

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    The tree itself is still alive, Armatus...
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    that's why it's living

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    It is living, but not the past (it still lives in present).
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    Oh but it is the past as well as the present young grasshopper...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    It is living, but not the past (it still lives in present).
    It's as much the living past as a still alive Queen Victoria would be the living past.

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    Hey someone else that likes trees!

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    thats tiny

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    Love the tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armatus View Post
    apparently by carbon dating rather than dendrochronology.
    I wish to note that dendrochronology has its limits and carbon dating is open for 'spoiled' testing objects, so either way, it would have been difficult.

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    Miss me yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxandrius View Post
    I wish to note that dendrochronology has its limits and carbon dating is open for 'spoiled' testing objects, so either way, it would have been difficult.


    Apparently there is debate about this tree actually being the oldest. See Pando estimated at 80,000 years, though it's not a single living tree like Tjikko, but a colony which share a single root system. Though there is apparently debate that Pando is not the oldest either.

    Some experts speculate that Pando's reign since 1992 as the heaviest-known organism may be short lived. Less well-studied Quaking Aspens in Utah may be 80 hectares in extent and one million years old. Other large colonies could exist elsewhere. A clonal colony of at least seven Coastal Redwoods could weigh more,[9] though no such stand is known to exist. Other scientists think that portions of Pando's root system may be dead and might have led the plant to split into separate groups and therefore would not be one organism, though the collective groups would remain the same singular, genetic individual.

    Tree experts also note that the organism's age cannot be determined with the level of precision found in tree rings; some claim Pando's age is closer to 1 million years.[4] Its current 80,000 year designation is based on a complex set of factors including the history of its local environment such as: The evidence indicating that there are few if any naturally occurring new aspens in most of the western United States since a climate shift took place 10,000 years ago and eliminated favorable soil conditions for seedlings; the rate of growth (including the differences of rates in distinct climates when accounting for its local-climate history, that males grow slower than females, and that aspens grow slower at higher elevations – Pando is at 2697 m, or 8,848 ft, above sea level); its size; and its genetic code in comparison to the mutations found among aspens born in the modern era. Michael Grant summed it thus...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pando_%...9#Size_and_age

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    Default Re: Tjikko (World's oldest tree)

    theres a bacteria thats 250 million years old.
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    You know, usually you expect the worlds oldest tree to be quiet tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodo chile View Post
    You know, usually you expect the worlds oldest tree to be quiet tall.
    Those were cut down.

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    cool tree

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    While no where near as old as Tjikko, I just learned that my Colorado Blue Spruce trees dwarf my human life span by over 6 times... I've got two that have been around for 20-30 years already, and three to plant right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armatus View Post
    apparently by carbon dating rather than dendrochronology.
    how can a live tree be dated by carbon dating?

    It has to die first surely?

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