Discussing A Song of Ice and Fire's title

**Vahir** · June 04, 2012, 05:11 PM

What does it mean? I believe that they drop the title somewhere in the fifth book, but I'm wondering if it has an ulterior meaning. Considering that R'hllor is a god of fire, and that their followers preach a war against a god of darkness and cold, could it be that there are two supernatural entities representing each element that are at war with each other?

Or am I looking too much into it?

**Pinkie Pie** · June 04, 2012, 05:15 PM

I personally think it is to do with dragons and The Others but R'hllor works too.

**Túrin_Turambar** · June 04, 2012, 05:31 PM

I believe Rhaegar says something like "and his is the Song of Ice and Fire" in Danys HotU visions

**Pinkie Pie** · June 04, 2012, 05:40 PM

But was that put in simply because its the title?

**Lord AcidRocker** · June 04, 2012, 05:53 PM

Must pretty much mean an impending clash between ice and fire. The Others. The Great Other. Evil...... R'hllor. Fire. Dragons. The lord of light's faith is found mostly in Asshai, the area near-exactly opposite of the lands north of the Wall. Jon Snow is rumored to be Rhaegar's son, validating him as being Azor Ahai; what a coincidence that he's up in the north learning about the Others.

**Stannis Baratheon** · June 04, 2012, 05:55 PM

Could be that it also represents human soul-you can interprete either ice or fire as good or bad in human character, and how everyone has a mix of both.