Shogun 2 CPU Test Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge

[Crazyeyesreaper]

Alright well there were a few ppl asking what i saw CPU wise with Shogun 2 going from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge.

Specs listed below,

2500k
ECS P67 H2 A2 Black Deluxe
Mushkin Redlines 1866MHz 9-10-9 27 1T
ASUS 7970 DirectCu II TOP

3770k
Biostar TZ77XE4
Mushkin RedLines 1866 9-10-9 27 1T
ASUS 7970 DirectCu II TOP

STOCK on both CPUs

Minimum
2500k = 22
3770k = 27

Average
2500k = 29
3770k = 33

Overclocked @ 4.4 GHz on both CPUs
Minimum
2500k = 24
3770k = 31

Average
2500k = 30
3770k = 36

Overclocked 4.6 GHz 3770k my 2500k wasnt a good clocker it maxed at 4.4 i would love to offer more data but this is all i can provide for the time being.
Minimum = 33
Average = 38

turning off hyper-threading did not impact performance either, so at stock 2500k vs 3570k and 2600k vs 3770k it looks the difference remain pretty much the same for both.

When minimum frames per second is looked at comparing stock CPU speeds
Ivy Bridge is 22% faster than Sandy bridge

When looking at average frames per second at stock CPU speeds
Ivy Bridge is 13% faster than Sandy Bridge

When comparing minimum frame rate at 4.4 Ghz on both CPUs
Ivy Bridge is 25% faster than Sandy Bridge

When comparing average frame rate at 4.4 Ghz on both CPUs
Ivy Bridge is 20% faster than Sandy Bridge

That would mean this graph seen on the forums multiple times looks to be fairly accurate people will need to remember GPU choice, memory speeds etc DO impact Shogun 2's CPU test albiet very minor examples a 6950 vs 7970 the system with 7970 in the CPU test will gain an extra 1-1.5 fps, faster memory, on top of lower latencies will also improve frame rate further, for example if i could get 2133 fully stable i would gain another 1-2FPS with my particular GPU over 1866Mhz so keep these things in mind.

[Jaketh]

Im using an old i7 870 and can run it maxed, if you have any i7 you will be fine.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Im using an old i7 870 and can run it maxed, if you have any i7 you will be fine.

i3 can also run everything max. It just a question of how fast. My old Pentium 4 1.7 also runs ETW, which takes around 5-10 minutes per turn. 30 minutes mid turn.

[GasMask]

i3 can also run everything max. It just a question of how fast. My old Pentium 4 1.7 also runs ETW, which takes around 5-10 minutes per turn. 30 minutes mid turn.

My I3 cant run it maxed it lags during fighting .

[Bolkonsky]

Im using an old i7 870 and can run it maxed, if you have any i7 you will be fine.

Yeah, that's not exactly what you need to run it maxed, hell an FX can run the thing maxed...

[Jaketh]

Yeah, that's not exactly what you need to run it maxed, hell an FX can run the thing maxed...

Its the graphics department where Shogun 2 will nail you to the wall. Luckily i have GTX580 so my frames never drop below 40 so long as i have all those useless settings turned off like SSAO

[Blau&Gruen]

How does SH2 run on HD4000?

[irishron]

How does SH2 run on HD4000?

I doubt it will run at all, anymore, after the last round of patches.

[irishron]

Check the S2 Tech forum. There is a member with a HD4200 and having trouble pulling up the game since FotS was released.

[Blau&Gruen]

Thx, I am going to have a look there.

[raven90]

good

[Shocked]

Sigh I bought a Sandy bridge i5 a month before Ivy was released.. I could've waited but I didn't want to... I suppose the difference isn't gigantic..

[Crazyeyesreaper]

if it makes you feel better, i paid $315 on the 3770k vs $220 on the 2500k, my 2500k is the worst clocking 2500k ive ever seen,

for $100 price difference the performance increase is tiny, but due to better memory clocking etc their are ways to further improve performance on Ivy Bridge, that said 99% of users do not need Ivy to get better performance, no to mention my 2500k topped at 55c vs my ivy bridge hitting 85c so keep that in mind due to the switch to TIM instead of solder underneath the IHS on the CPU Ivy gets hot sandy bridge does not.

[raven90]

^Have you tried using 2800mhz ddr3 RAM?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

no i havent, im not paying an obscene amount of money for said memory,

in Shogun 2 each 300-400 mhz jump in memory speed might gain you 1fps after 1866MHz so going from 1866 to 2800 might gain 3 fps

3fps isnt worth the cost or headaches

example

Gskill Trident X kit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231595
2600MHz many Z77 motherboards wont even boot with said memory installed when it works its amazing otherwise its a crap shoot,

1866 MHz = $55
2400 MHz = $100
2600 MHz = $200

for 8GB kit 2x4GB thats a cost increase of more then $145 for 3-4 fps in the CPU bench only in game performance it can be seen on the minimum FPS range but otherwise you dont feel any difference doesnt impact loading speeds etc,

I would test it if i was given a kit that could do those speeds but yea not gonna pay for it myself to test it.

After 1866MHz unless your using extreme cooling its a worthless investment most of the time youll need an AIO water cooler, in order for the memory modules to fit which is another $100+ investment, just isnt worth it not for 1 game that does scale with memory

At best with 2800-3000MHz DDR3 you might see 5 fps at best which compared to whats gained via CPU overclock makes it a worthless investment, Im also basing my findings on X79 platform with high speed memory, do to bandwidth being less aka dual channel of Z77 vs quad of X79 the gain may be less,

essentially it boils down to this, i can't see the logic is spending $400-600 for a 16GB kit of memory vs $100 to gain 3-5 fps If you would like to provide me with said expensive kit(s) ill test them though haha

[♔KillZoneGB♔]

essentially it boils down to this, i can't see the logic is spending $400-600 for a 16GB kit of memory vs $100 to gain 3-5 fps If you would like to provide me with said expensive kit(s) ill test them though haha

I think the better route would to shut down hardware ports you don't use. via the bios and device manager

a few examples: com port, fire wire, network card (if wireless is being used, note if you have to reinstall wifi, you will need to enable the network card, Once installed, the network card can then be disabled).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hard wired don't disable the network card

Then slimming down MS o/s services.

Last measure Running in aboveRealTime does yield a bit more, not advised for playing online tho .

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Cheers for the thread Crazyeyesreaper

Could you post your preferences.script and DX settings.

Kind Regards

Charlie

[Crazyeyesreaper]

CPU test is just generic settings dont apply, to it, its testing worst case senario cpu usage, nothing more,

in game im running ultra unit sizes tweaked a bit, with everything else maxed out using 2x MSAA and MLAA 2.0 via catalyst control panel all smooth with 20 vs 20, 40 vs 40 can bog down a bit but not bad, my Sandy on the other hand got hit pretty hard.

[Adreno]

Hey reaper or anyone else i have a few small questions regarding overclocking, just recently got a 3570k on a asus P68 v pro gen 3 (i know the Z77 should have been the choice as of now but i could get it this one at a massive discount due to one of my friends and is almost as good)

Now i want to overclock it to say 4.6 ghz, ive read that sweet spot for ivy is pretty low voltage compared to sandy and should be around 1.15 for that.. which will make it run at 80c max at full load.. which should be very acceptable no?

Im just not sure which settings to change.. some say change boost others say dont etc etc..

I would just like to do an easy overclock that doesnt involve too much tinkering with things i cannot grasp :p

[Crazyeyesreaper]

For 4.6 i need 1.24v those at 1.15v are either a lying or b) have a golden chip ive only seen 1 chip do 4.6 under 1.2v

that said use Intels Turbo

leave all other features on,

by using Turbo and vcore offset you find the stable volts for that turbo clock this allows the chip to down clock to 1.6ghz and under volt this lowers power draw significantly and due to Ivy using TIM instead of Solder on the inside will prolong the life of the TIM vs running high clock 24/7.

I myself use boost clocking it just makes far more sense.

for the 3570k

set turbo multi to x45
set your voltage offset so that your max volts are 1.2v id have to look up your mobos bios and i dont have the time or images at hand of said bios to telel you the right settings.

but for turbo it really is as simple as setting board current to 150amps (depends on board)
set voltage offset so under load to hit 1.2v
set multi to x45, test stability do a few runs of Linpack OCCT Prime etc, dont run it long just test to see if it crashes or not if it doesnt try dropping volts or raise the multi to 46, test again if it passes for a bit drop volts again, rinse repeat

untill you find a minimum stable voltage offset for your clock speed,

i use a voltage offset which pushes up to 1.26v if needed but i max at 1.24 99% of the time. keep volts under 1.25 for long term stability and longevity of the chip also keeps temps managable.