Submod Fall of Arnor Total War Version 2.4 released

[~Asukav of Epirus~]

This sub mod looks great. I have to try it but don't know when I will have the more time... Anyway I saw you need some inspiration for Angmar units. Do you know LOTRO, online rpg? The events took place in the same time what Lord of the Rings book but land of Angmar is there the main eveil force. Angmar finnaly was created by the Withcking. He corrupted many men so propably half of Angmar's forces should be men. But not only wild men... I will show you the examples from Lord of the Rings Online..

And for now I can only say: keep up the good work and hopefully you will find more moders to continue this project! Sadly I don't have experience in modding like that so can't help you much. But one last thing: your submod is using LOTR TW music, right? It isn't bad, movie music fits good to all kind of LOTR projects But some tracks from Battle for Middle-Earth game also could fits the submod. Anyway it's only and you propably don't want to add new music especially for the submod. But if you will want to include new music in future, you can tell me. I'm good in choosing epic tracks so it fits well to some things...

So good luck again! And write what do you thing about the ideas for units.

Thanks for the suggestions Tesalion and sorry for the delay.

I'll check if I can do something with units of Angmar, perhaps just the textures, if someone wants to help just send pm .

Btw sorry for cutting your post but it is very long for a quote

[Eoraptor1]

No problem, let me know anything anyway I will be checking if I have mistakes in battle, what is more I played the campaign.

Alright then. I made a fresh install on my backup drive, and that worked better. The only glitch I encountered was that after a certain number of turns the game would minimize to the task bar and nothing I could do would return it to fullscreen. I had to exit using Task Manager. I found I was able to keep this from happenng, however, by deleting that same map.rvm file as described in the installation instructions.

The game is very exciting and moves quickly. It was hard for me to stop playing even though I had other things to do. I do find that when the difficulty settings are maxed out some very un-Tolkien things begin to happen. As the Arnor player I was able to destroy the Angmar faction in 100 turns, and my allies thanked me for this by promptly attacking me. First the Dwarves, and then the Noldor attacked me with full stack armies without the slightest provocation. I took care to stay out of their territories even though we were allies. The Dwarves are described as grumpy, ok, but why would Cirdan or Lord Elrond launch an invasion of Arthedain? I think this is something in the Total War engine geared to keep conflict going, because the same thing happens in Fourth Age. If you're doing too well in 2.6 as the Reunited Kingdon player, it's only a matter of time before you're attacked by Rohirri and forced to exterminate the populace of Edoras. I can't imagine anyone of the House of Eorl oathbreaking for any reason, but it happens again and again.

Thank you for the sub-mod.

JAMES

[niko21]

Yeah those units look cool but I think the dwarfs are getting too silly or something I dont know but I dont like dark dwafs and lotr online doesnt always say the truth Tolkien was after but others seem okey couse Angmar rly needs some units.

[TesalionLortus]

Yeah those units look cool but I think the dwarfs are getting too silly or something I dont know but I dont like dark dwafs and lotr online doesnt always say the truth Tolkien was after but others seem okey couse Angmar rly needs some units.

Have you played LOTRO? I also thought some things are not real and doesn't fit to Tolkien's world but it was before I learnt so many things in the game. LOTRO creators created great plot and history there- where Tolkien didn't describe it. And about evil dwarf- I really like this lotro idea. Tolkien didn't describe the fate of all dwarven clans so they make one of clanes hostile in lotro game, and it's not like they were always super evil.

[niko21]

Hmm conquest is kinda stupid game. About LOTRO I aint saying its wrong couse Tolkien isnt here to say that but for me it seems like a Long shot that dwarfs would have wanted to join Angmars forces couse they mostly fought Humans rather then elves.but im just saying that one of the Nazguls is not a women like LOTRO says and the names are made up couse tolkien named Khamul and Witch king other are up to them but why is there a womenTolkien said great kings of men nothing about women.

[TesalionLortus]

Hmm conquest is kinda stupid game. About LOTRO I aint saying its wrong couse Tolkien isnt here to say that but for me it seems like a Long shot that dwarfs would have wanted to join Angmars forces couse they mostly fought Humans rather then elves.but im just saying that one of the Nazguls is not a women like LOTRO says and the names are made up couse tolkien named Khamul and Witch king other are up to them but why is there a womenTolkien said great kings of men nothing about women.

I think they didn't fight with men more with the elves. Iluvatar said that Aule's children (the dwarves) will be especially fighting against Iluvatar's children (the elves, first children who weren't created yet). Of course- dwarves could also fight with humans and for sure they did. But hostility between elves and dwarves is something natural.

And about LOTRO again. Person who told you that Amarthiel is Nazgul isn't real player (they don't know anything about the plot).
You talked about her, right?


She is not the Nazgul. She is the female elf and she became Sauron's apprentice long time ago and became corrupted by a lesser ring of power, created with his help in eregion.
Well, propably all people who talk about 'changing Tolkien's stuff' in Lotro aren't competent and they judge the game after playing it one week or reading wiki entries...

[niko21]

that happens couse you cant control computers actions. sadly.....

[~Asukav of Epirus~]

that happens couse you cant control computers actions. sadly.....

Well, now I put the "ai_do_not_attack_faction numidia" to Noldor and the Dwarves, I did some tests but still do not know if it works but you can also use the force_diplomacy with Noldor...

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Thanks for the great support, I will continue to improve the sub-mod

Notes:

Numidia= Arnor

Btw on my computer the sub-mod is in Spanish

Here below is the attachment of descr_strat for diplomacy of Noldor and Dwarves, put in the folder \ alexander \ lotrtw \ data \ world \ maps \ campaign \ Alexander

[Hopit]

I feel ill if someone says LOTRO is canon, please try not to do that.

[TesalionLortus]

I feel ill if someone says LOTRO is canon, please try not to do that.

It isn't- we all know the canon, original books ; ) As a person who played it so long time (and in the begining also I had doubts) I just try to explain that what in lotro is the best- they never change anything from the original Tolkien's works. And also all races behavior, culture is based only on Tolkien etc etc... In one sentence: the game's creators treat Tolkien's world with respect and they do their best to make it faithfull- and if someone play (but play serious and long) he for sure see that creators work so far is great and we can't blame them for anything.

I have nothing against lotro but something of that size cant be right in every part.

If you mean 'right' in the way: Tolkien himself would accept it or not... Propably Tolkien would say about few things which he don't like (and I propably also can)- but for sure he would be able to accept the game and he would see great work made by creators- even new events not described by Tolkien would be great idea and correct in history of this world for Tolkien himself
But again- if you mean right in the way: everything in the lotro game is the same like in the all Tolkien's books- yes it is. Because every thing and event described by Tolkien is in the game the same and unchanged.

To Carlos:

I saw screenshots added by you Carlos and i can see the map there. I totally forget myself I asked who is in Isengard but it's the time when Orthanc was under Gondor's control and Saruman didn't have the keys. So Dol Guldur belongs to rebels? And who is the green one colour next to red Easterlings? (yeah- i can see it was Rohan in LOTR TW but here?)Sorry for the questions but really dont have possibility to install the mod.

And I can see Uruks as Angmar's generals/captains too ; ) Uruk hai didn't exist so it could be good to change it later. In my opinion the Angmar general could be someone like Angmarim from lotro (not a stupid wild warror but corrupted man who become loyal and learn some dark sorcery, finally humans were very important part of Angmar) and the captain could be single orc. Finally Angmar used mountain orcs (who before withking arrival were living in hidings so these orcs for sure were much stupid than Mordor ones)

Anyway I think Angmar's forces are the most difficult chalenge here. If you will start work to totally change them for better, I can send you my suggestions (full list with units names based on LOTR TW ones, I'm not experienced in modding but you are able to change some units from LOTR TW mod and even change their look right?). TO quick express my point of view I think Angmar's units should be the mix of all 'evil' inhabitants of this lands. Not many orcs, maybe more goblins, half-orcs, and men units (but very different kinds like wildmen, corrupted sorceres, dark numenorians, Angmar's faithfull warrors etc). I will install the mod as soon as I could so I will see existing units so far...

[~Asukav of Epirus~]

It isn't- we all know the canon, original books ; ) As a person who played it so long time (and in the begining also I had doubts) I just try to explain that what in lotro is the best- they never change anything from the original Tolkien's works. And also all races behavior, culture is based only on Tolkien etc etc... In one sentence: the game's creators treat Tolkien's world with respect and they do their best to make it faithfull- and if someone play (but play serious and long) he for sure see that creators work so far is great and we can't blame them for anything.



If you mean 'right' in the way: Tolkien himself would accept it or not... Propably Tolkien would say about few things which he don't like (and I propably also can)- but for sure he would be able to accept the game and he would see great work made by creators- even new events not described by Tolkien would be great idea and correct in history of this world for Tolkien himself
But again- if you mean right in the way: everything in the lotro game is the same like in the all Tolkien's books- yes it is. Because every thing and event described by Tolkien is in the game the same and unchanged.

To Carlos:

I saw screenshots added by you Carlos and i can see the map there. I totally forget myself I asked who is in Isengard but it's the time when Orthanc was under Gondor's control and Saruman didn't have the keys. So Dol Guldur belongs to rebels? And who is the green one colour next to red Easterlings? (yeah- i can see it was Rohan in LOTR TW but here?)Sorry for the questions but really dont have possibility to install the mod.

And I can see Uruks as Angmar's generals/captains too ; ) Uruk hai didn't exist so it could be good to change it later. In my opinion the Angmar general could be someone like Angmarim from lotro (not a stupid wild warror but corrupted man who become loyal and learn some dark sorcery, finally humans were very important part of Angmar) and the captain could be single orc. Finally Angmar used mountain orcs (who before withking arrival were living in hidings so these orcs for sure were much stupid than Mordor ones)

Anyway I think Angmar's forces are the most difficult chalenge here. If you will start work to totally change them for better, I can send you my suggestions (full list with units names based on LOTR TW ones, I'm not experienced in modding but you are able to change some units from LOTR TW mod and even change their look right?). TO quick express my point of view I think Angmar's units should be the mix of all 'evil' inhabitants of this lands. Not many orcs, maybe more goblins, half-orcs, and men units (but very different kinds like wildmen, corrupted sorceres, dark numenorians, Angmar's faithfull warrors etc). I will install the mod as soon as I could so I will see existing units so far...

Thanks for your suggestions, I have in mind to make the black Númenóreans as if they were priests (useful to raise morale).

The green faction like it said niko21, The Kingdom of Rhovanion.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Rhovanion

[TesalionLortus]

But Tolkien was so critical for himself that would most likely make everything again for forty times still so....

Hehe- propably. I know from my own experience when I'm writing. After I finish something it still could be corrected and be better and better.

Thanks for your suggestions, I have in mind to make the black Númenóreans as if they were priests (useful to raise morale).

The green faction like it said niko21, The Kingdom of Rhovanion.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Rhovanion

OK I forgot about Kingdom of Rhovanion. Just the suggestion about Black Numenorians- propably it's better to leave them for future (they could be the good, elite unit with great stats). The priest are great idea but why don't call them just Angmarim Priets or Witchking Fanatics (because the withcking is a kind of god for them). Black Numenorians could be usefull as the highest elite while priests could be just limited units (if you are able to make the limits for specific units numbers)

But please Carlos. Some of my suggestions could be helpfull for you but not if I will write random stuff without knowing anything about your possibilities. SO tell me exactly what are you able to edit with the units and game elements. Tho most important:
- are you able to create completely new unit based on LOTR TW unit (for examle based on LOTR TW spearman but completely change his appearance, shape etc; in one word make from him half orc for example?)
- you are able to change all statistics like defend, attack etc, right?
- is it possible for you to based unit for faction on unit not from this faction; for example can you based some angmarim goblins on goblins from LOTR TW orc rabbles faction?
- maybe stupid question (but finally I don't know anything about modding like this ; ) Can you change the weapons of units? Because I installed the mod and see that Rhudarian spearman have uruks spears, swordsmen uruks swords etc?
- can you change the models on campaign map? (captains, generals, diplomats etc)
- are you able to add units for factions? For example in LOTR TW isengard faction have X number of all available units and can you add even more? (bacause Angmar is actually remake of Isen, right?)
- are you able to change elements like banners or herolds/captains of each unit on the battlemap?
- of course all sounds can be changed (if you remake for example man spearman to halforcs units is it pssible for them to have own halforcs voices?), propably yes by replacing sound files from LOTR TW I think...

Hmmm... It's all I have in mind now. You can add something if I forgot I hope you don't think I'm persistent or something... Modding like that is a hard work (i saw some toturials and my head just exploded) and I cannot be good in this. But I'm trying to help as I can ( and I don't want my suggestions to be only random things impossible for you) so because of that I need to be sure about all your possibilities. If you don't have time dont write anything. And when you will have enough time- write all in details. You can do it here or even in PM (as you wish). For now things like this are not necessary but later I could also offer my help with units descriptions for example. Especially Angmar's units where good imagination is needed ; ) My english isn't the best but I could write it in MS Word and send it to you. You could only check the mistakes and then past it to correct Rome files. But things like that aren't necessary for now anyway. I will try to play the mod and see all things. And last question: can i see all units in the custom battles or i need to play campaign (because some new units for example aren't available for custom?)

[~Asukav of Epirus~]

Hehe- propably. I know from my own experience when I'm writing. After I finish something it still could be corrected and be better and better.



OK I forgot about Kingdom of Rhovanion. Just the suggestion about Black Numenorians- propably it's better to leave them for future (they could be the good, elite unit with great stats). The priest are great idea but why don't call them just Angmarim Priets or Witchking Fanatics (because the withcking is a kind of god for them). Black Numenorians could be usefull as the highest elite while priests could be just limited units (if you are able to make the limits for specific units numbers)

But please Carlos. Some of my suggestions could be helpfull for you but not if I will write random stuff without knowing anything about your possibilities. SO tell me exactly what are you able to edit with the units and game elements. Tho most important:
- are you able to create completely new unit based on LOTR TW unit (for examle based on LOTR TW spearman but completely change his appearance, shape etc; in one word make from him half orc for example?)
- you are able to change all statistics like defend, attack etc, right?
- is it possible for you to based unit for faction on unit not from this faction; for example can you based some angmarim goblins on goblins from LOTR TW orc rabbles faction?
- maybe stupid question (but finally I don't know anything about modding like this ; ) Can you change the weapons of units? Because I installed the mod and see that Rhudarian spearman have uruks spears, swordsmen uruks swords etc?
- can you change the models on campaign map? (captains, generals, diplomats etc)
- are you able to add units for factions? For example in LOTR TW isengard faction have X number of all available units and can you add even more? (bacause Angmar is actually remake of Isen, right?)
- are you able to change elements like banners or herolds/captains of each unit on the battlemap?
- of course all sounds can be changed (if you remake for example man spearman to halforcs units is it pssible for them to have own halforcs voices?), propably yes by replacing sound files from LOTR TW I think...

Hmmm... It's all I have in mind now. You can add something if I forgot I hope you don't think I'm persistent or something... Modding like that is a hard work (i saw some toturials and my head just exploded) and I cannot be good in this. But I'm trying to help as I can ( and I don't want my suggestions to be only random things impossible for you) so because of that I need to be sure about all your possibilities. If you don't have time dont write anything. And when you will have enough time- write all in details. You can do it here or even in PM (as you wish). For now things like this are not necessary but later I could also offer my help with units descriptions for example. Especially Angmar's units where good imagination is needed ; ) My english isn't the best but I could write it in MS Word and send it to you. You could only check the mistakes and then past it to correct Rome files. But things like that aren't necessary for now anyway. I will try to play the mod and see all things. And last question: can i see all units in the custom battles or i need to play campaign (because some new units for example aren't available for custom?)

You're right about the black Númenóreans, but I have no idea how they look.

-maybe (new unit, only textures)
-yes (statistics)
-yes (change unit from faction)
-maybe (only textures of the weapons)
-yes (on campaign map models)
-yes (add units for factions)
-yes (banners)
-not (sounds)

About the help of descriptions, I would appreciate if you did but be sure you would be included in the credits.

Btw do not seem persistent your suggestions, whether they are helpful.

All units are available in custom battle, but I've only done a few differences but not create new units.

[niko21]

I have nothing against lotro but something of that size cant be right in every part.

[niko21]

The green stands for Rhovanion. For some reason I cant write long comments.....

But Tolkien was so critical for himself that would most likely make everything again for forty times still so....

[niko21]

Well I can say that banners and Generals can be done couse he has already done some and Im pretty sure that all of those can be done only thing im not sure about is the number of units.

[Akarnir]

Good job with this submod

[niko21]

I suggest adding priests the chant ability that would make em cool.

[mithnar]

hmm why Castamirion cant buid ships?

[TesalionLortus]

hmm why Castamirion cant buid ships?

I didnt played them but its propably still not corrected thing I suppose. For now the most of work is made on the map and with the main elements, new factions are but such like Angmar, Castamirion have only some units from LOTR TW and no new buildings. Its finally version 1.2 for now... but with proper, even only small changes in factions the submod could become something totally awesome (maybe based on LOTR TW and with no great changes but could totally change the experience from that game).

I think for now Carlos is going to focus on main two factions of the submod, Angmar and Arnor.
Ohh... And elves attacking Arnor- its truly weird feeling, propably Carlos also is able to fix it in some way. He has already done something with Elves-Dwarfs diplomacy if Im correct.