Study suggests Roma faces discrimination in West Europe

[hellheaven1987]

I thought discrimination is not supposely existed in Free Europe, or that was what those French claimed?

Roma (or Gypsy) communities in Western Europe often face similar levels of discrimination as their counterparts in Eastern Europe, according to a new report by the EU and UN.

The report said the situation of the Roma is on average worse than their non-Roma neighbours when it comes to jobs, education, housing and health.

The survey interviewed 22,203 Roma and their non-Roma neighbours.

Those surveyed resided in 11 EU countries with large Roma populations.

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Joking aside, it seems Roma has been on the bottom of society in Europe for centuries, and I wonder why such situation remains even today? Clearly it is not just about social discrimination but there must be some cultural value of Roma that causes their present situation.

[molonthegreat]

Well their reputation haven't exactly improved with thousands of gypsies coming from Eastern European countries that have entered the EU in recent years, hell every other beggar here is a Romanian gypsy and they make their children beg as well.

[Kanaric]

On the title of the things I think I say:


Its true, they are absolutely discriminated against. Every europeon i've talked to whenever Gypsies have come into a conversation I always hear negative things about them.

The last guy I talked to said he want into Prague and was mobbed by a gypsie family and one of them said "Take my baby" and like thrust a baby onto his hands while their children picked his pockets clean. My uncle went to Russia and the Russians all told him before he got off the bus from the airport by the tour guides to watch for people like gypsies boiling down to "they WILL rob you".

I did meet some American Gypsies and they were nice and not any different than any other immigrant but then these people who tell me gypsie stories say they are "not real gypsies".

There was this Bulgarian guy I talked to once that had the most ridiculous stories I have ever heard and he seemed extremely racist towards them and this Czech friend of mine that I went to high school with (who has since moved back) is the guy who told me the "take my baby" story and had a few others.

I have only talked to eastern europeons about gypsies really. I can't say I recall a western europeon talking about them but I don't meet any of them often and the RAF people I worked with the topic never came up.

[athanaric]

There's quite a bit to be said about the topic. Certainly Gypsies in some places are discriminated against and exploited by the majority, or by other minorities, but the core of the problem is their own attitude. They would face less discrimination if they sent their children to school (instead of having them beg in the street) and took up decent jobs.

[Kanaric]

I want this topic to grow so I can see if Gypsies are OK to discriminate against on this forum or if people will disagree with you because all these traits I see so far can be applied to other minorities in any country that you can't talk bad about because its "racism". I wonder why Gypsies are the exception?

Its been the fact in past Gypsie threads on this forum. Now that I say this i'm sure I might derail it, contaminating the experiment if you will.

[6644kp]

They are low lifes that just attack people for the fun of it if they are in superior numbers and cause damage to people's vehicles and steal.

I am surprised the civilized states of Europe allow them to live in their nations and not send them back collectively to India their home land.

[Acco]

I don't think you needed a study to confirm this, to be honest.

They would face less discrimination if they sent their children to school (instead of having them beg in the street) and took up decent jobs.

You make it sound like this is easy to do.

[mongrel]

I thought discrimination is not supposely existed in Free Europe, or that was what those French claimed?



Source

Joking aside, it seems Roma has been on the bottom of society in Europe for centuries, and I wonder why such situation remains even today? Clearly it is not just about social discrimination but there must be some cultural value of Roma that causes their present situation.

It is people who carry these attitudes, not nations or groups, hence...

Well their reputation haven't exactly improved with thousands of gypsies coming from Eastern European countries that have entered the EU in recent years, hell every other beggar here is a Romanian gypsy and they make their children beg as well.

Central Europe's reputation has improved in one respect, they haven't committed any genocidal act on Roma since 1945.

I don't think you needed a study to confirm this, to be honest.

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Indeed.

[neoptolemos]

Roma are facing discrimination everywhere.This is a combination of prejudice in societies, the poverty in their communities and their problematic integration in the society.

[Prosaic Visitant]

Civilised Europe should take a lesson from the USSR and simply mass-deport them.

[mongrel]

Civilised Europe should take a lesson from the USSR and simply mass-deport them.

Spot the irony.

[Prosaic Visitant]

Spot the irony.

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[Sir Pignans]

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Probably this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11020429

[neoptolemos]

Nah they are famous musicians in many Balkan countries.How can folklore fests held without them?

[Acco]

Nah they are famous musicians in many Balkan countries.How can folklore fests held without them?

In Macedonia we love their music and they have a reputation for being a musical and festive people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aDYAfA_plQ

Esma Redžepova (Macedonia's most famous Roma folk singer) features in this song by Kiril Dzajkovski (around 2:05), funny thing being that it's an electronic/modern song, which is a bit out of her style.

Roma themselves don't want to work , be civilized or educated so it's not a big deal .

Macedonia has enacted policies, centered around education, which have worked to some extent. We now have a Roma minister in government, a few Roma members of Parliament, and more Roma university students. The situation obviously isn't close to being solved, but things are getting better and change is possible. If you offer a Roma a job and education, he won't turn you down. The problem is the opportunities are lacking and they often aren't equipped to take advantage of them. The government needs to take an active role in this.

[The Despondent Mind]

Roma themselves don't want to work , be civilized or educated so it's not a big deal .

[neoptolemos]

Roma do work but they have a difficulty finding jobs as well.

[nein]

the patriarchy is to blame

[The Despondent Mind]

Roma do work but they have a difficulty finding jobs as well.

I had trouble finding those in a significant number .

[YukonTrooper]

Ship them to Israel.