Iraq warns Turkey over Kurdistan pipeline deal

[hellheaven1987]

I thought Turkey already thinks Kurdish autonomous region is part of its territory?

Iraq's government has warned Turkey it needs Baghdad's permission to build new pipelines carrying oil and gas from the Kurdish autonomous region in the north.

Turkey made the deal directly with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) on Sunday, without Baghdad's approval.

Relations between Baghdad and Ankara have deteriorated sharply recently.

Instead, Turkey is focusing on closer ties with the KRG, which is locked in a dispute with Iraq's central government over who can sell the country's oil.

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It is interesting case to show how bad Iraq's situation is now; an autonomous region can now sign national treaty without even bother to inform central government. On the other hand, Baghdad government probably has little right to protest since when Turkey launch military campaign in Kurdish autonomous region the Baghdad government did not even try anything to stop Turkey violating its border. Either way, if Iraq continues like this it probably would be craved out by Iran, Greater Arabia and Turkey soon, remind me how Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth got divided by Russia, Prussia and Austria.

[PointOfViewGun]

It is interesting case to show how bad Iraq's situation is now; an autonomous region can now sign national treaty without even bother to inform central government. On the other hand, Baghdad government probably has little right to protest since when Turkey launch military campaign in Kurdish autonomous region the Baghdad government did not even try anything to stop Turkey violating its border. Either way, if Iraq continues like this it probably would be craved out by Iran, Greater Arabia and Turkey soon, remind me how Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth got divided by Russia, Prussia and Austria.

Turkey actually has an agreement with Iraq about issues on border security. This agreement involves rights for Turkey to intervene across border. It would be weird for Iraqi government to stop Turkey invoking the treaty they had with the Iraqi government.

Nonetheless, it's strange that Turkey would deal directly with the autonomous region.

[Kanaric]

Nonetheless, it's strange that Turkey would deal directly with the autonomous region.

This is strange imo. Turkey should at least discuss with the overall government to support the legitimacy, however doing deals with specific regions is doing nothing to help stability there.

IMO Iraq is an artificial state anyways and the Kurds should have their own state but it is a still a strange thing to do.

[PointOfViewGun]

This is strange imo. Turkey should at least discuss with the overall government to support the legitimacy, however doing deals with specific regions is doing nothing to help stability there.

Turkey have been strict about that so far. They've always made sure that they were dealing with Iraqi government. Maybe the government is changing it's policies about Iraq.

IMO Iraq is an artificial state anyways and the Kurds should have their own state but it is a still a strange thing to do.

If only it was that simple.

[Sphere]

Turkey have been strict about that so far. They've always made sure that they were dealing with Iraqi government. Maybe the government is changing it's policies about Iraq.

Perhaps what is more relevant is what has been going Baghdad not Ankara. Maliki has more or less removed the thin veneer which was covering the sectarian nature of the Federal government with the indictment of the Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi. Hashimi had to flee to the Kurdish region to avoid Maliki's reach.

Ankara is just dealing with the reality of a partitioned Iraq. The "Federal Government" is really just the Shia government so why would you talk to them about running a pipeline through the north?

[PointOfViewGun]

Perhaps what is more relevant is what has been going Baghdad not Ankara. Maliki has more or less removed the thin veneer which was covering the sectarian nature of the Federal government with the indictment of the Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi. Hashimi had to flee to the Kurdish region to avoid Maliki's reach.

Ankara is just dealing with the reality of a partitioned Iraq. The "Federal Government" is really just the Shia government so why would you talk to them about running a pipeline through the north?

Now I remember. Maliki is Shia and it was said that Iran is growing big on him. Hashimi is Sunni, same as Turkey.

[Kitsunegari]

Barzani is very clever with the cozying up to Turkey (he also called on the PKK to disarm), he is able to play them off against Iraq and preserve an autonomous status.

[Tureuki]

It would be stupid to support seperatist Kurdish organizations and become hostile to all neighbours for them.

[Toho]

Perhaps what is more relevant is what has been going Baghdad not Ankara. Maliki has more or less removed the thin veneer which was covering the sectarian nature of the Federal government with the indictment of the Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi. Hashimi had to flee to the Kurdish region to avoid Maliki's reach.

Ankara is just dealing with the reality of a partitioned Iraq. The "Federal Government" is really just the Shia government so why would you talk to them about running a pipeline through the north?

a government is a government what does Shia or Sunni have to do with anything?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Hrm. Interesting. Legally, I expect Baghdad does have the final say.

[Kanaric]

Can they enforce their say?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Possibly. The Iraqi constitution isn't my strong point.

[Kitsunegari]

I think he is actually encouraging those still operating in Iran though: possibly hoping that after an invasion of that country there could be a similar autonomous area created.

[PointOfViewGun]

The autonomous region needs Turkey more than it needs Iraq as a whole. Barzani's warming up to Turkey is only logical.

[Armenum]

Interesting....I would think the relations between Turkey and Kurdistan would be poor, but I guess economic interests are alive and well between the two.

[white-wolf]

It seems world is turning on its head. A few years ago North Iraq and Turkey were near to blows, now Turkey is the best buddy of Kurds suddenly (after USA of course). This is very logical for the Barzani, however I am curious mostly about the Sunni Arabs.

[magpie]

It seems world is turning on its head. A few years ago North Iraq and Turkey were near to blows, now Turkey is the best buddy of Kurds suddenly (after USA of course). This is very logical for the Barzani, however I am curious mostly about the Sunni Arabs.

Economic,s can have a dramtic effect on politic,s

The Sunni Arabs will join the Christian refugee,s in Syria?

Iraq under the shia will form even closer ties with their brother,s in Iran?

The ripples from the invasion of Iraq are still spreading.

[Exarch]

seems ppl are now treating kurdestan as a defacto new nation

[Prosaic Visitant]

Saddam would've known what to do.

@Exarch; well, third world countries emerging from third world countries is trend that has continued for a while now.

[Poet]

I thought Turkey already thinks Kurdish autonomous region is part of its territory?



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It is interesting case to show how bad Iraq's situation is now; an autonomous region can now sign national treaty without even bother to inform central government. On the other hand, Baghdad government probably has little right to protest since when Turkey launch military campaign in Kurdish autonomous region the Baghdad government did not even try anything to stop Turkey violating its border. Either way, if Iraq continues like this it probably would be craved out by Iran, Greater Arabia and Turkey soon, remind me how Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth got divided by Russia, Prussia and Austria.

But Iraq is way better than what it was before US invasion.