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    This seems rather strange, I don't see how helping to find Bin Laden is a treasonous act particularly when Al Qaeda did establish ties with the Haqqani network and helped the Pakistani Taliban according to Syed Saleem Shahzad.This is likely to further strain relations between the US and Pakistan, which comes at a bad time particularly when the US is looking to handover districts to local Afghan forces which depends on a reduction in violence and more importantly commitments to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.

    Pakistani doctor jailed for helping CIA find bin Laden

    By Ibrahim Shinwari and Jibran Ahmad
    PESHAWAR, Pakistan | Wed May 23, 2012 8:16am EDT
    (Reuters) - A Pakistani doctor accused of helping the CIA find Osama bin Laden has been jailed for 33 years for treason, officials said, a move likely to deepen strains in ties between Washington and Islamabad.

    Shakil Afridi was accused of running a fake vaccination campaign believed to have helped the American intelligence agency track bin Laden in a Pakistani town, where he was killed in a U.S. special forces raid last May.

    "Dr Shakil has been sentenced to 33 years imprisonment and a fine of 320,000 Pakistani rupees ($3,477)," said Mohammad Nasir, a government official in the northwestern city of Peshawar, where the jail term will be served.

    The imprisonment is likely to anger ally Washington at a sensitive time, with both sides engaged in difficult talks over re-opening NATO supply routes to U.S.-led troops in Afghanistan.

    Senior U.S. officials had made public appeals for Pakistan, a recipient of billions of dollars in American aid, to release Afridi, detained after the unilateral operation which killed bin Laden and strained ties with Islamabad.

    In January, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in a television interview that Afridi and his team had been key in finding bin Laden, describing him as helpful and insisting the doctor had not committed treason or harmed Pakistan.

    The U.S. raid that killed bin Laden in the garrison town of Abbottabad, just a few hours drive from the capital Islamabad, humiliated Pakistan's powerful military, which described the move as a violation of sovereignty.

    Intelligence cooperation between the United States and Pakistan, vital for the fight against militancy, has subsequently been cut drastically.

    Afridi's prison term could complicate efforts to break a deadlock in talks over the re-opening of supply routes through Pakistan to U.S.-led NATO forces in Afghanistan.

    Pakistan closed the supply routes, seen as vital to the planned withdrawal of most foreign troops from Afghanistan before the end of 2014, in protest against last November's killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in a NATO air attack along the Afghan border.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84M0MM20120523
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    Jailed for 33 years? He should have been given death sentence for high treason. (AFTER SHOOTING ALL GENERALS OF MUSHARRAF ERA AND ALL PRESENT GENERALS INCLUDING ARMY CHIEF AND ZARDARI AND HIS THUG COLLEAGUES IN HEAD) America has no right to violate our sovereignty, plus recently a CIA official disclosed some information according to which he met with a Chechen guard of OBL and he told him that Osama had a natural death in 2006 and he was buried somewhere on Pak-Afghan border as per his will. Don't know whether this is true or false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Jailed for 33 years? He should have been given death sentence for high treason. (AFTER SHOOTING ALL GENERALS OF MUSHARRAF ERA AND ALL PRESENT GENERALS INCLUDING ARMY CHIEF AND ZARDARI AND HIS THUG COLLEAGUES IN HEAD) America has no right to violate our sovereignty, plus recently a CIA official disclosed some information according to which he met with a Chechen guard of OBL and he told him that Osama had a natural death in 2006 and he was buried somewhere on Pak-Afghan border as per his will. Don't know whether this is true or false.
    a death sentence for helping to find Osama Bin Laden? is Pakistan sympathetic to Al Qaeda?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kayle View Post
    lol death penalty for being a 'traitor' to an artificial state.

    Maximum trolling there.

    he's apparently a traitor for helping to find the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    America has no right to violate our sovereignty
    Violation of Pakistani sovereignity was not a consequence of this poor man's actions. So what is your point?


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    Quote Originally Posted by intel View Post
    Violation of Pakistani sovereignity was not a consequence of this poor man's actions. So what is your point?
    Pakistan has violated the sovereignty of Afghanistan for decades

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayle View Post
    Indeed Babur, one would think a bit a leniency at least would be warranted because it was Osama.
    Yes, but sadly this suggests that there are some in Pakistan who are sympathetic to the late Osama Bin Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    33 years is a no go. It should be death penalty for treason.
    why? he did a great service by helping to find Osama Bin Laden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    a death sentence for helping to find Osama Bin Laden? is Pakistan sympathetic to Al Qaeda?





    he's apparently a traitor for helping to find the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks
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    Pakistan has violated the sovereignty of Afghanistan for decades



    Yes, but sadly this suggests that there are some in Pakistan who are sympathetic to the late Osama Bin Laden



    why? he did a great service by helping to find Osama Bin Laden
    His actions resulted in American operation which was pretty clear cut violation of our sovereignty plus he caused trouble for Pakistan's anti-polio operation because now parents especially in tribal areas do not trust anti-polio workers.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    I believe he "is" still undercover that's why he didn't flee.
    his arrest also has political benefits for the Pakistani government and military.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    His actions resulted in American operation which was pretty clear cut violation of our sovereignty plus he caused trouble for Pakistan's anti-polio operation because now parents especially in tribal areas do not trust anti-polio workers.
    then you shouldn't have allowed Osama Bin Laden to take refuge in your country then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Jailed for 33 years? He should have been given death sentence for high treason. (AFTER SHOOTING ALL GENERALS OF MUSHARRAF ERA AND ALL PRESENT GENERALS INCLUDING ARMY CHIEF AND ZARDARI AND HIS THUG COLLEAGUES IN HEAD) America has no right to violate our sovereignty, plus recently a CIA official disclosed some information according to which he met with a Chechen guard of OBL and he told him that Osama had a natural death in 2006 and he was buried somewhere on Pak-Afghan border as per his will. Don't know whether this is true or false.
    Way to make yourself appear as a terrorist supporter Poet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    So you can get imprisoned for helping foreign intelligence do operations on your country's territory without your country's consent? How is this news?
    Because this enemy was an enemy to both your and their states. It seems rather obvious that if the enemy is being hidden in your country, you'd make the logical guess to go to the guys who are least likely to be trying to hide him. Not that Pakistan was, to say.
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    Because this enemy was an enemy to both your and their states. It seems rather obvious that if the enemy is being hidden in your country, you'd make the logical guess to go to the guys who are least likely to be trying to hide him. Not that Pakistan was, to say.
    That does not change the fact that he helped organize a raid by another state, which was no authorized by his country. In other words, the guy spied for US and got what he deserved, justice was served.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Jailed for 33 years? He should have been given death sentence for high treason. (AFTER SHOOTING ALL GENERALS OF MUSHARRAF ERA AND ALL PRESENT GENERALS INCLUDING ARMY CHIEF AND ZARDARI AND HIS THUG COLLEAGUES IN HEAD) America has no right to violate our sovereignty, plus recently a CIA official disclosed some information according to which he met with a Chechen guard of OBL and he told him that Osama had a natural death in 2006 and he was buried somewhere on Pak-Afghan border as per his will. Don't know whether this is true or false.
    Or you know, instead of heresay we can just take Al Quaeda at its word

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    How is cooperating with a foreign intelligence service not treason?

    edit: I wonder how America would act if the Situation would be reversed? If an American citizen helped the ISI to assassinate someone on US soil? Would America pat him on the back and let him go? Hardly.

    It's more of the same American hypocrisy.
    Precisely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Pakistan seems insistent on protecting violent mass murderers due to bureaucracy of the very government the people hate.
    Sure we supported Bush and Blair, we are supporting Obama too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Georgy Zhukov View Post
    Or you know, instead of heresay we can just take Al Quaeda at its word
    I already said I was not sure. Almost all Pakistani media persons believe that something happened in Abbotabad on 2nd of May 2011, most of them are sure that was not some drama but real execution of OBL, that's why I didn't say that CIA official's new story is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Sure we supported Bush and Blair, we are supporting Obama too.
    Disproven for the 8th time in a separate thread as well as PMs. There is literally nothing you state that is not a lie, hyperbole, or ignorant of the subject. Iraq is not the topic. And the actions of the West don't exonerate Wahhabi extremists like the ones you support.

    When you have a more firm understanding of the English language, more specifically, the difference between war crimes and mass murder, let me know. Even if we are to assume that Bush and Blair are war criminals, they don't rank as terrorists because their wars did not have the express purpose of intimidating a foreign culture/religion by use of intentionally targeting civilians. The civilian casaulties in Afganistan and Pakistan are anywhere from 60 - 75% caused by your beloved Taliban squatting in Quetta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Disproven for the 8th time in a separate thread. Iraq is not the topic. And the actions of the West don't exonerate Wahhabi extremists like the ones you support.

    When you have a more firm understanding of the English language, more specifically, the difference between war crimes and mass murder, let me know. Even if we are to assume that Bush and Blair are war criminals, they don't rank as terrorists because their wars did not have the express purpose of intimidating a foreign culture/religion by use of intentionally targeting civilians. The civilian casaulties in Afganistan and Pakistan are anywhere from 60 - 75% caused by your beloved Taliban squatting in Quetta.
    Your beloved official (some scumbag from Pentagon) said a few days ago that except Kabul if not all at least 1/3 Afghanistan is still under Taliban control so they do not need to hide in Quetta. Let me know when you stop alleging other for your blunders so we may discuss these things.
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    lol, the guy deserves the death penalty for being a "traitor" to an artificial state.

    Maximum trolling there.
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    Indeed Babur, one would think a bit a leniency at least would be warranted because it was Osama.

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    33 years is a no go. It should be death penalty for treason.

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    Then he should have flee from Pakistan. I think something else going on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    Then he should have flee from Pakistan. I think something else going on there.
    elaborate on that claim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    elaborate on that claim
    That he is a CIA asset undercover as Doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    That he is a CIA asset undercover as Doctor.
    and?

    he helped to find Osama Bin Laden
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