Winter is coming: HBOs Game of Thrones Season 3 and beyond [Absolute spoiler warning if you are a non reader)

[HannibalExMachina]

im starting this because the season is almost at an end and ive no fragging idea how theyll manage ASOS, even in two seasons. ive read through the wiki again, and pinned down some ideas (and im not bothering to go to westeros.org. heh).

Season 3:

the tyrells are welcomed in KL, titles,titles are awareded. the
marriage between joff and marge is negotiated, sansa to marry tyrion,
who has less of a nose. may also introduce viper.

davos is fished out of the sea, is imprisoned and becomes hand (quite a
season for him). also, meli thinks stannis needs to fight the Other
enemy.

robb is sitting in riverrun, planning to retake the north, while the
tyristers are closing the noose. needs to win the freys over, so uncle
ed has to marry. roose bolton may or may not be send to harrenhal to
guard robbs back.

the beauty and the beast tour the riverlands, getting caught by brave
companions (maybe, perhaps outlaws cut of the hand?), somehow they are
freed again (bolton please), and jaime sends his regards, and his hand.

arya also tours the riverlands, meets brotherhood. brotherhood meets
hound, he wins trial by battle, runs free. arya tries the same, gets
caught by hound, they head north.

robb finally heads north, enjoys wedding, jamies regards finally
arrive. arya there in time to miss this.

dany arrives in astapor (please let her just be there, no episode
wasted on how dothraki are afraid of water and being seasick). dany
proves her negotiation skills havent improved since quarth, she simply
kills the slavers and takes the eunuchs. she then takes her unsullied
and sows faiwar and blud (and does so the rest of the season, no idea
where they make the cut. dont care either.) if they drag it out long
enough, this could end with her dragons burning people (slow like ass,
but she needs stuff to do in season 4). also, good ending.

bran goes north, and his story has to be dragged out forever:
jon meets mance, bones ygritte, they march on the wall. wall is scaled,
jon and bran nearly meet at queenscrown.
that leaves hardly any story left for jon in four, if they do not
include jons start as LC. anyway....

the fist is attacked (they may end ses2 with 3 blasts), sam evolves,
sam is now the Slayer. retreat to crasters pleasurehouse, LC mormont
takes the prize for first promiment death of season. sam gets back to
wall (slowly), not sure if he will arrive this season, but meets
coldhands, or not. also meets bran and crew, though that may happen in 4.

that was easy, wasnt it? weve just gained another storyline, by
separating sam and jon, and one by separating winterfell and bran.
theon will likely rott in a cell for a season (or will he), that saves
us one.

easy, isnt it?

season 4:

news arrive from the north, joffs wants to marry, too. a viper arrives
now or never, wants to partake, also wants heads. joff is wed, joff is
a tool, joff has dwarf tourney, and joff dies.

stannis goes north, or perhaps on his way already.

tyrion put to trial, like at the eryie, only different. mountain dies
(sorta), viper dies messy, tywin doesnt sht gold and tyrion escapes.
jaime arrives in time to free him, but too late to fight for him (o the
irony), sends beauty on her way.

sansa is rescued by her shining knight, which turns out to be LF. they
get to the vale, LF marries (christ, this book is 3 weddings and 12
deaths), makes the bad woman fly.

jon scales wall, runs away. warns wall. or maybe he does this in 3.

bran took two seasons to reach the wall and crosses it after meeting
sam and coldhands.

mance attacks the wall, stannis arrives to save the day (like
blackwater, only different), jon elected LC, will never again bone
ygritte though. sam back now to help fake the polls, sorta. jon annoys
stannis, doesnt burn mance, sends sam and gilly away. that either
leaves the battle for the wall hanging midseason or bran and jon are
getting even more filler than dany.

dany does stuff, or rather she doesnt. mereen is sieged, taken, dany
takes residence, mormont banished.

[Túrin_Turambar]

we know george writes an episode called "autumn storms" (episode 7). My guess is that it'll feature bran and the reeds (I hope) at queenscrown and Jons escape from the wildlings. the red wedding is probably going to be there as episode 9 or 10. Maybe they have the purple Wedding too.

[Inarus]

I can't see the Red Wedding being the ending of Season 3 - A) because Part Two of the Books features it just before a 1/3 of the way though and B) (most importantly) it will cost the show one hell of its viewers, why end a show with that? It could be devastating. Do it in the middle and follow it damn fast with dear old Joffers turning a shade of his clothing.

[Túrin_Turambar]

how would you end the season? If not RW, what then? Ok one possibility I really liked was Robb at the Twins during Edmures Wedding and the ending of the Season would be the Rains of Castamere being played by the Freys.

[HannibalExMachina]

added my outline (basically tried to stuff the summary in two seasons). prominent deaths in red, theyll have killed half their cast after 4. if they manage to still go on, im impressed.

i also guess RW happens end of 3 at the latest, they still have to stuff so much into 4. mances attack on the wall is what BW is this season, and happens close to the end, so thats a logical conclusion, esp as they wont have the budget to show danys attack on mereen.

also curious how they are going to get the budget for bigger dragons, bigger direwolfs, an army of wildlings and one of eunuchs, two massive weddings (well, they could save on the RW, old walder didnt feel like spending much), a new city for the slavers....did i miss anything?

[Heiro de Bodemloze]

Having the Red Wedding halfway through season 3 and finishing with the Purple Wedding seems good to me.

Maybe ending the 4th season with men chanting "Stannis!"?

[HannibalExMachina]

Having the Red Wedding halfway through season 3 and finishing with the Purple Wedding seems good to me.

Maybe ending the 4th season with men chanting "Stannis!"?

if you do that, youve too much tuff to work through in the 3rd, and not enough to fill the 4th.

and i cant see why they would cut out the attack on the wall, its the climactic battle of asos.

[Cleftjaw]

and i cant see why they would cut out the attack on the wall, its the climactic battle of asos.

Should be fairly easy too. Being fought it the dark they can probably save a lot of money on the details and stuff.

Seeing as they split up ASOS in two seasons I think we will see two of the best seasons the series will have. A lot of time for the characters to further expand, and the amazing plot that goes down in ASOS wont be so ing cut.

[Prophet1331]

I'm pretty sure the producers are gonna do something unexpected and out of the story (like Dany and her stolen dragons this season) just to drag it on. I don't think they'd shy away form having Robb killed as an ending for the season (the time between seasons will make the viewers come back and curios what will happen now especially if the rest of the characters end with good cliffhangers). My main concern is season 5 (if they get that far). You have enough action these seasons but I believe everyone saw A Feast For Crows a bit slow and lacking action compared to the rest of the books. It depends though, they might get it right with the Ironborn and keep interest up. If GRRM keeps it up (with dragons, others and other fictional creatures) I can safely say the interest in the series will fall in season 6 (the main reason people like it is because of the lack of fairies and other magical creature making the world bright) and the producers won't have the money for all the CGI others, giant dragons, giants, pyramids.

They do have allot to cram up into the next seasons but I think they'll manage it fairly well. People like action and I'm pretty sure they won't be sad if every episode is exciting. All the producers need is money for the season, probably more than for this one and if they manage another award for this season, they might get it.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

I think I once read that why are going to turn book 4 and 5 into same season.
So jon have time to do stuff

[Túrin_Turambar]

I think I once read that why are going to turn book 4 and 5 into same season.
So jon have time to do stuff

of course they do that. They adapt it chronologically not book by book

[Heiro de Bodemloze]

A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons will of course be together, though probably with two seasons.

[Toho]

I dont think the season would survive the Storm of Swords...

a lot of things happens and a lot of people die...and it will at least one season so we can get we are...which frankly is not that great either, not much has happened at all...
Tyrion arrived at Meereen, Brienne...some happened, i dont really care, Aegon LANDS...doesnt even invade yet, Arya is STILL training for 2 books now...basically a Feast and Dance are just travel logs and fleshing out characters that honestly would bore people...

the next book better be as good as storm of swords if not better because we the readers had to wait through like 2 decades for 2 books that basically gave us nothing besides some back story and travel logs.

after storm of swords the producers will probably make up some BS plots to keep people interested and add that to Feast & Dance so that they can get some content because honestly making a season of just Feast and Dance will kill the show...no doubt about that...
not to mention people have to deal with:

-Red wedding
-Joffrey's death (*read below)
-Twyins Death
-Brandon's pointless adventures.


(*): even though he is an ass he makes people watch the show...after him what villain do you have? Ramsay? we haven't even seen him yet and do you honestly think a villains like Walder Frey, Roose and Ramsay can really replace Joffrey for the audience? we have barely seen these people for more than 10 minutes...hell I probably know that whore's nipples better than my own by now...why do they show us that constantly?

[Cleftjaw]

I dont think the season would survive the Storm of Swords...

a lot of things happens and a lot of people die...and it will at least one season so we can get we are...which frankly is not that great either, not much has happened at all...
Tyrion arrived at Meereen, Brienne...some happened, i dont really care, Aegon LANDS...doesnt even invade yet, Arya is STILL training for 2 books now...basically a Feast and Dance are just travel logs and fleshing out characters that honestly would bore people...

the next book better be as good as storm of swords if not better because we the readers had to wait through like 2 decades for 2 books that basically gave us nothing besides some back story and travel logs.

after storm of swords the producers will probably make up some BS plots to keep people interested and add that to Feast & Dance so that they can get some content because honestly making a season of just Feast and Dance will kill the show...no doubt about that...
not to mention people have to deal with:

-Red wedding
-Joffrey's death (*read below)
-Twyins Death
-Brandon's pointless adventures.


(*): even though he is an ass he makes people watch the show...after him what villain do you have? Ramsay? we haven't even seen him yet and do you honestly think a villains like Walder Frey, Roose and Ramsay can really replace Joffrey for the audience? we have barely seen these people for more than 10 minutes...hell I probably know that whore's nipples better than my own by now...why do they show us that constantly?

I don't think its fair to mix AFFC and ADWD. AFFC was a long bore most of the time with all these bloody Brienne chapters, but ADWD is, IMO, one of the best books of the series. The show still has potential after ASOS and all the ed up things Ramsay likes to do for fun makes Joffrey look like a milkdrinker (which he basically is...).

As long as they keep true to the books to some damn extent and keep the Brienne plot relatively short while possibly expanding Aryas, I think the show will continue.

There is a positive side with the 800page travel log that is AFFC, it will cost significantly less, and they will have to focus on developing the characters further (unless they want to make a LOST-season...).

[HannibalExMachina]

i wont start a discussion about the quality of any book here (HINT HINT, if anyone thinks he has to), but as there isnt much progress in the story (mainly ppl going from a to b and dany sitting around and having a serious case of hormons), they can squeeze much of it in a season.

[Toho]

i wont start a discussion about the quality of any book here (HINT HINT, if anyone thinks he has to), but as there isnt much progress in the story (mainly ppl going from a to b and dany sitting around and having a serious case of hormons), they can squeeze much of it in a season.

more like in 3 or 4 episodes and even thats pushing it... if they base a whole season on those two books the show is dead, no doubt about it...they have to somehow add more drama, scheming ...something...
not to mention they have to somehow explain who the hell Connington and Aegon are...

[Túrin_Turambar]

more like in 3 or 4 episodes and even thats pushing it... if they base a whole season on those two books the show is dead, no doubt about it...they have to somehow add more drama, scheming ...something...
not to mention they have to somehow explain who the hell Connington and Aegon are...

so your plan is to remove all the setup for every story arc and jump right into the action without explaining a thing? I agree that one can make all the characters move faster as they already did it in the series, but with 3 or 4 episodes (seriously wtf) for all that happens (and it happens alot) it will screw the story up like nipples on a breastplate (gods I hate that). The only way I see this work in 4 episodes is if Littlefinger gives Roz hismagic Jetpack and she s her way through Westeros and Essos

[Dux]

How are they going to deal with Aegon anyway? The show viewers don't even know who rheagar is or that he had children, let alone some lord Connington who appears out of the blue. Honestly the only way that could be done properly if they made a mini series/film about the war of the usurper.

[Toho]

How are they going to deal with Aegon anyway? The show viewers don't even know who rheagar is or that he had children, let alone some lord Connington who appears out of the blue. Honestly the only way that could be done properly if they made a mini series/film about the war of the usurper.

well they could do flash back episodes where we learn about the mad king, Rahegar, connigton and etc...imo that would be pretty cool for season 4...Dance and Feast need that...

[molonthegreat]

Well as long as they fairly close to the story of A storm of Swords I am happy and they must turn AFFC and ADWD into one season since there really isn't much happening there and I doubt television viewers will like watching their favorite characters just travelling.