OT: Anyone play the GOT RPG yet?

[Cazac]

Heyah folks, I know ve've been discussing and debating weather or not this game is any good, but now since it's actually out I was wondering what you thought about it, is it worth buying? Is it as poor as Origin or is it an actually decent game?

Thanks in advance

[Karazor]

i 'm going to buy it because most of the times in games i'm intrested more in the story so this is a new storie in the saga and it's canonized by George , so i'm intrested to see how the story of the two characters is going to play in the saga

[Zack-Stefy]

yeah..i played it..the combat sistem sucks, the graphics are from 2005 but the story is really good.
the combat should be more hack&slash sistem..i don't like the Dragon Age Origins style

[Skizbot]

I hear bad things. But honestly, a linear single player RPG from a developer with a poor track record and no ability to make your own character- how good could it have been?

[Cleftjaw]

Although I generally don't download products illegally because I like to support authors I will torrent this game. Reasons:

1) Will most likely suck, therefore I will not spend money on it. I just want to see how much it actually sucks.
2) I don't want Cyanide to survive. That's right, I want them to die. The gaming industry will be better off without them AND then perhaps a better game developer will pick up the license and make a game worth its title...

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Although I generally don't download products illegally because I like to support authors I will torrent this game. Reasons:


1) Will most likely suck, therefore I will not spend money on it. I just want to see how much it actually sucks.

dont post those things, you will end up closing this good tread, people needs to know the truth.

But yeah they did ed up a lot, with genesis.

[Sir G Threepwood]

The game is super awful. Avoid at all costs.

[Trivmphator]

Once again GRRM proves that he sucks at everything besides writing books (hes slipping on that too)

[Skizbot]

Once again GRRM proves that he sucks at everything besides writing books (hes slipping on that too)

Oh, come on. He didn't make this game, and can you really expect a 60 year old guy with little interest in video games to know who the good development studios are? Besides, Cyanide was supposedly not the first group approached to develop ASOIAF games. I've heard rumors that both Bethesda and Bioware were sought after but turned it down for their own reasons.

[Trivmphator]

Oh, come on. He didn't make this game, and can you really expect a 60 year old guy with little interest in video games to know who the good development studios are? Besides, Cyanide was supposedly not the first group approached to develop ASOIAF games. I've heard rumors that both Bethesda and Bioware were sought after but turned it down for their own reasons.

YES. I expect him to ask around for GOOD developers. Like any normal person who wants to adapt their products to another medium. What the has Cyanide studios EVER made before worth a damn? This isn't the first time his fatass has screw up his own IP using dumbass manufacturers to produce sub pare crap, (which ONLY sells due to the name "A Song of Ice and Fire")

Valyrian Steel swords anyone?

Also Bethesda and Bioware DONT NEED ASOIAF. They already have household RPG properties of their own.

[Skizbot]

So he should look around for good developers to make RPGs...but not developers that have made good RPGs o.o?

Anyway, GRRM has more important things to do with his time than search the world for game studios. Writing the books, for one.

Also, consider that the license was sold something like 7 years ago, long before the HBO series made the books a hit. More successful developers may not have had any interest in marketing ASOIAF games.

[Trivmphator]

So he should look around for good developers to make RPGs...but not developers that have made good RPGs o.o?

This makes no damn sense.

Anyway, GRRM has more important things to do with his time than search the world for game studios. Writing the books, for one.

Oh really? DWD was SUCH A HIT it required his ass 6 years right. Hes spending more time touring and signing books, stuff that you know he can USE has an excuse NOT to write a book.

Also, consider that the license was sold something like 7 years ago, long before the HBO series made the books a hit. More successful developers may not have had any interest in marketing ASOIAF games.

The books were already a damn hit before HBO. Just cuz a series has an HBO show, DOESN'T mean it hit the big time. Lord of the Rings was a major hit before any of the movies.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

This makes no damn sense.

It's basically what you said.

[Trivmphator]

It's basically what you said.

Clearly you didn't understand what the hell I was saying. What has Cyanide studios EVER made worth a damn? If you look for developers who ONLY MAKE good rpgs you are shooting yourself in the balls. Those developers would have properties that are MUCH more established then AOSIAF, at least in the gaming market. If you were to use his argument and ONLY look for developers who are good at making RPGs, you will deal with the likes of,

Blizzard
Bethesda
Bioware
SquareEnix
ArenaNet

YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK these studios would pick up AOSIAF and actually develop a damn rpg for it? Really? Who is going to take a property that ISN'T house made and make it to the point were its SO POPULAR and good its going to rival their own stuff? (Dont give me Star Wars and Mass Effect crap with Bioware, there two different genres of RPG. Console vs MMO) You think Blizzard is going pick up this product? Spend the money and time developing something that will be CRUSHED by WoW?

My argument makes WAY more sense looking for GOOD DEVELOPERS. And I use the term GOOD modestly to reflect companies who standard of games are higher then your NORMAL budget title developers, (NaughtyDog vs Paradox). ASOIAF has more chance of being a SUCCESS if they are picked up by developers who are established in the video game market BUT not in the RPG genre. Who are these developers?

Ubisoft
NaughtyDog
Rockstar games
Activision
THQ
etc

I know I mention several developers which MIGHT be highly unpopular with the masses due to their business ethics. But even then there STILL better then freaking CYANIDE STUDIOS.

IF you can't make sense out of that I don't know what to say to yall.

[Skizbot]

Oh really? DWD was SUCH A HIT it required his ass 6 years right. Hes spending more time touring and signing books, stuff that you know he can USE has an excuse NOT to write a book.

I enjoyed ADWD. Also, I think that GRRM is allowed to spend his time as he sees fit, wouldn't you agree? He doesn't have to make any excuses, as he doesn't owe us anything. You pay for a book, you get the book, and the transaction is complete. But its remarkable how much anger you seem to have towards him. This is a man's life. He's been writing these books for 20 years. Maybe he doesn't want to spend every day of his life in Westeros.

The books were already a damn hit before HBO. Just cuz a series has an HBO show, DOESN'T mean it hit the big time. Lord of the Rings was a major hit before any of the movies.

No other book series in the history of print outside of religious texts is comparable to the popularity of The Lord of the Rings. Trying to draw parallels between the two is pointless, LOTR invented a genre and had five decades of growing popularity before the films. ASOIAF was popular before the show, but it was popular for a non-LOTR/Harry Potter fantasy book- in other words, few people outside of the fantasy crowd read it, it won a few awards most people have never heard of, and it fell off of the bestseller lists after a few weeks. It was popular, but not popular in the sense that major game studios were jumping at the chance to pump millions of dollars into making a Game of Thrones title. The popularity of ASOIAF has grown exponentially since the HBO show. Its estimated that in early 2011 before the show started, about 6 million copies of the first four books combined had sold in North America since 1996. When you take into account pirating, that's now about how many people watch the show every single week.

[Trivmphator]

I enjoyed ADWD. Also, I think that GRRM is allowed to spend his time as he sees fit, wouldn't you agree? He doesn't have to make any excuses, as he doesn't owe us anything. You pay for a book, you get the book, and the transaction is complete. But its remarkable how much anger you seem to have towards him. This is a man's life. He's been writing these books for 20 years. Maybe he doesn't want to spend every day of his life in Westeros.




No other book series in the history of print outside of religious texts is comparable to the popularity of The Lord of the Rings. Trying to draw parallels between the two is pointless, LOTR invented a genre and had five decades of growing popularity before the films. ASOIAF was popular before the books, but it was popular for a non-LOTR/Harry Potter fantasy book- in other words, few people outside of the fantasy crowd read it, it won a few awards most people have never heard of, and it fell off of the bestseller lists after a few weeks. It was popular, but not popular in the sense that major game studios were jumping at the chance to pump millions of dollars into making a Game of Thrones title. The popularity of ASOIAF has grown exponentially since the HBO show. Its estimated that in early 2011 before the show started, about 6 million copies of the first four books combined had sold in North America since 1996. When you take into account pirating, that's now about how many people watch the show every single week.

Doing a Frey essay, brb.

[Trivmphator]

I enjoyed ADWD. Also, I think that GRRM is allowed to spend his time as he sees fit, wouldn't you agree? He doesn't have to make any excuses, as he doesn't owe us anything. You pay for a book, you get the book, and the transaction is complete. But its remarkable how much anger you seem to have towards him. This is a man's life. He's been writing these books for 20 years. Maybe he doesn't want to spend every day of his life in Westeros.

How you can enjoy such a crapfest that was ADWDs I would never know but moving on. NO I DON'T agree with that notion. HE OWES us. Owing something to someone is NOT the same has entitlement (which is seemingly what you think I'm asking for). This isn't a mere transaction we are talking about. I am talking about a LOYAL fanbase who helped made ASOIAF has big has it is today. What has GRRM wrote before that made him so famous? He wasn't a household name before ASOIAF became as big has it was today. How did this thing get so big? It wasn't Martin's writing now (I'm talking about his prose writing NOT plotting), it was word of mouth. You are right, the transaction ends when the book is purchased. What goes beyond that is when a reader recommends the book to a friend, a family member, a book group. When readers pay to go to a small time convention to hope to meet GRRM and ask him questions. When readers create forums and do nothing but spend their free time talking about ASOIAF, THAT goes beyond a transaction. That's goes beyond the call of duty (Btw none of that convention stuff was actually me)

That's CALLED LOVE. Its through this community's love for GRRM's work which made him such a success. Hes certainly not doing himself a favor popping a book out every five years or so hoping to maintain the surge of popularity he "built" over the years. It was US the reader, who kept that torch burning. If hes going to take his sweetass time writing books in the quality of ADWD and FFC standard, then hes does NOT deserve the monolithic praise he get. When will people just ADMIT that the guy has no work ethic? Robert Jordan popped out a good 11 books in a time frame of TEN YEARS. I'm not trying cause a war here with Jordan fans but comeon now. I wouldn't be so vocal if the quality of GRRM's work was at least held up to standard with the first three books, but lets face it, in terms of pacing and plotting, and actually FURTHERING the established plot, FFCs and ADWD fails.

I'm an inspiring writer. Of what caliber and quality I do not know yet. But IMO when you constantly suck out the love and loyalty of the fans who support your work, you OWE something to them. They aren't entitled for you to change your storyline etc, but you OWE to them to make their wait worth while. In my philosophy, once you hit it big you are literally nothing more then society's "whore". Cynical outlook? Maybe. But plenty of writers and movie stars take this approach to fame. The fact that hes writing these books for twenty years is a SHAME. I don't want him to stay in Westeros, I want him to move on so I can see something ELSE he can create BESIDES Westeros. The reason I'm still here is cuz his ass ain't moving me forward.

But all that is not on subject with anything in this thread.

No other book series in the history of print outside of religious texts is comparable to the popularity of The Lord of the Rings.

So I'm guessing you never heard of a boy called Harry Potter have ya? Or a guy named Mao Tse-Tung? I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just saying, do a google search and check your facts. I did so, and I found this.



(Does anyone else find it disturbing that more people in the world read Twilight then the Diary of Anne Frank?)

Trying to draw parallels between the two is pointless, LOTR invented a genre and had five decades of growing popularity before the films.

Drawing parallels between the two is not pointless. LOTR did not create a genre that wasn't already there before. LOTR had roots within Norse mythology and ancient tales of Britain from the get go. The fantasy genre was already there in the first place. The tales of King Arthur, Aeneas, Odysseus, Beowulf, the Redcross Knight, Sinbad and Orlando span the limits of time. Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost (althrough based on religion) is largely fantasy. Those two never went to Hell to explore for themselves! Jules Verne had been writing science fiction before the likes of Isaac Asimov or Robert Heinlein ever been born. LOTR had merely created a sub branch of an already existing genre (High Fantasy), not to take away from its accomplishments most of what we considered today has FANTASY is based on LOTR.

LOTR did not have five decades of constant popularity in the span of its production. It was largely seen has a niche kinda thing that only nerds like (high it STILL IS) and kids. That's why the first too forgotten films based on LOTR (Return of the King, and the Hobbit) where in animation and not live adaption. You can constant this with comic book mediums like Superman, which had a tv serials running during World War II. More people were reading Superman comics then picking up LOTRs. The LOTRs films is what elevated the series into stardom. So yes I would throw my gauntlet down and say that BEFORE the films it was not has awe engrossing in popularity to the public. It was the influence of the films which made the series into what it is today. I'm NOT arguing how influential it is before the films, but rather how much of a house hold name is after it. That's what I'm commenting on.

ASOIAF was popular before the books, but it was popular for a non-LOTR/Harry Potter fantasy book- in other words, few people outside of the fantasy crowd read it, it won a few awards most people have never heard of, and it fell off of the bestseller lists after a few weeks.

Is that a damn typo? How the can ASOIAF be popular before it even existed? Also please don't make general assumptions that non-LOTR or Harry Potter people read the series from the beginning. When a book is on the New York Times bestsellers list (that's the list I'm assume you are referring too) that alone will draw crowds into buying the book.

It was popular, but not popular in the sense that major game studios were jumping at the chance to pump millions of dollars into making a Game of Thrones title. The popularity of ASOIAF has grown exponentially since the HBO show.

The same thing could be argued about the Wheel of Time series. But that turned out quite different didn't it? The first video game was created nine years after the first book. And its considered to be the 10th most underrated game in history by GameSpy. The notion that major game studios ONLY want to develop games that will net in an audience beyond the ones that love the work is ridiculous. What about the video game adaption of John Carpenter's the Thing 20 something odd years after its inception? (rough estimate).

The bottom line goes, video game developers WILL RISK adapting works that they know have an established target as the audience. Am I saying that your statement that they don't shop around for properties that are vastly popular and create games for them is false? Of course not. I'm only arguing the fact that it ISN'T the de facto business model that EVERY game developer wants too. If you fail to see that point, let me present this question to you.

Using THAT model (that video game developers ONLY pump resources into established works known to the public), where the hell are all the bible games at? Or adaptions of public domain stories? Beowulf certainly has elements of a good video game, but you didn't see one in the market before the movie came out did ya?

Its estimated that in early 2011 before the show started, about 6 million copies of the first four books combined had sold in North America since 1996. When you take into account pirating, that's now about how many people watch the show every single week.

Other then the fact that its nonsensical to believe that in the span of 15 years, everyone who read the first four books in 1996 lived long enough to watch the tv series 15 years later, its also nonsensical to include an abstract unmeasurable number of people (pirates) to arrive at such a poorly constructed conclusion. This is the tv show's rating taken from ToweroftheHand.com



Last's week was 3.7 according to Towerofthehand.com (how they arrived with that number looking at this graph I have NO idea).

[TouchyAndalou]

I'm an inspiring writer.

lololol

[Evilstein]

They must made a RPG game of the Bible !

[Skizbot]

Most of your points don't make a lick of sense or are arguing against things I never said, but I'll respond to a few of the relatively cogent ones:


1. GRRM doesn't owe you anything. When you buy a book, you pay for the front cover, back cover, and everything in between. No more. If you bought ADWD and it has some missing pages, someone owes you something. Otherwise, you and GRRM are all squared up. The man is free to live his life how he chooses, and this petulant rage that comes from so many of his readers demanding that he do nothing but write ASOIAF is annoying at best, disturbing at worst.

2. LOTR did not invent imagination, but it invented the modern fantasy novel as we know it, and ASOIAF belongs to that genre.

3. This season's episodes have averaged about 3.7-3.9 million viewers for the first showing. That means only North America, only on the first night. When you take into account other countries, repeat showings, HBO Go, and the fact that Game of Thrones is considered to be the most pirated television show of the year, I think that around 6 million viewers per week is probably a reasonable estimate, and probably a conservative one.