Trade

[Narf]

It have been agreed that.

Trade have max of 6 trade routes(?)
And that it will net you half of your combined income in profit.
Lord 1 have 3 in income and lord 2 have 9. The two lords would both benefit and get 6 from this trade-

I'd like those people that want their trade agreement to be intact with the Arbor after the restart to write here.

Else I'll have to flood the forum in trade proposals again.

[jakev2]

So your income from trade could quite easily be 6 times that of your land income? That seems a bit much to me.

[René Artois]

Where's your evidence to say it shouldn't? Especially for somewhere like Arbor, the Venice or Genoa of Westeros.

[jakev2]

With trade income that high, people will be forced to have many trade routes in order to keep up in the game, even if RP wise they don't want to trade much.

[Narf]

Well there is difference in Land Income as-well, So look at it realistic, those that trade more should get more income, like better land with gold mines already give more income. It is not different at all.
More/Better Land: More Income.
More/Better Trade: More Income.
More/Better Buildings: More Income.

I know there is not much in buildings yet. But That should be remedied imo.

[jakev2]

Well there is difference in Land Income as-well, So look at it realistic, those that trade more should get more income, like better land with gold mines already give more income. It is not different at all.
More/Better Land: More Income.
More/Better Trade: More Income.
More/Better Buildings: More Income.

I know there is not much in buildings yet. But That should be remedied imo.

Obviously I understand that there should be a difference in trade income, however I think that the potential money that could be earned from these deals is too high, and will lead to differences in trade income that are too large. If the trade incomes were, say, a fifth of what you are currently proposing, I would fully support the idea - my only problem is with the amounts of money involved.

[René Artois]

True! Everyone should be like Narf and find solutions not problems!

[Bonez]

I think that first 6 trade routes max is acceptable, agreed upon although I am willing to say 6 agreements.
As for income from it, I think nowheres near that per agreement. Maybe 10,000 Dragons but for some things such as a deal between Me and Narf for example that's 60,000 Dragons. Nothing else I can think of will come even close to generating that amount of income on top of what you already have except maybe merchant profits, and that is only after you sink well over 100,000 Dragons into the venture...

[Narf]

It is highly unrealistic if one get more from peasants tax than traders. This was the Suggestion Berry and LM Came up with. And I think it is perfect.

[Dance the older]

I'd like to know if there is going to be penalties for trading (such as the Arbor does). Like piracy, banditry, upkeep, natural disasters, etc.

You like to talk about how much your putting into the Redwyne coffers, but I bet you'd like the upkeep low It's expensive going on trade ventures around the world.. If all you make is an income from trade, then that doesn't seem to realistic either does it? Because pirates, natural disasters, bandits(assuming ground trade), and upkeep are very important too

[Bonez]

Hum... I see. So me having manners and not acusing people of being biased (saying they want all bonuses and aren't ready to take loses) is the equivalent of living under a rock...

Wow, I sure have a lot to learn with ye city dwellers it seems

Guys, move it to PM's if you want flame wars.

[Bjorn]

Does Bronzegate earn any extra income for passage tributes? (since they patrol and protect part of the Kingsroad and also the only passage to Storm's End by land)

[Narf]

Upkeep was discussed before and declined as it then would have to be applied to keeping castles standing and everything else. Much too complicate.d And who is to say that isn't just already counted in and this amount is just the profit.

[Bonez]

Comment removed before postage because of amazing mod powers!

Bjorn, I've PM'ed Ponti, don't know who else to contact about getting you modship.

And please no deleting of Scipio's post.

[Pericles of Athens]

TBH I really dont want this, lets jsut keep it simple 10,000 per trade route (with a max of 6 routes).

[Dance the older]

Then why not take a hit. Can't do proper trade without proper upkeep and protection. You want it to be canon based that they trade a lot, ill tell you they pay for their trading too. Upkeep and protection. Can't have one and not the other. That's certainly not realistic like your arguing for

[Narf]

It already have taken a hit. That is why it is only half the their combined income. As to symbolise just that. Lucius Malfoy spoke very convincing about it.

[Pericles of Athens]

As I said Narf its way too unbalanced if you make that much cash off trade, people will need to have trade routes to keep up with the others, even if they dont want to(RP wise).

[Bonez]

Honestly, with this is someone did it just for the cash and not RP or another reason they could potentially make well over 200k Dragons a year. I would prefer to keep it at max under 150k Dragons a year without investing any money. Maybe if there was some kind of investment to warrant this, such as maybe 10k a year to buy trade products or something maybe we can talk, but not even merchant's can make that kinda of money without long and hard work.

[Bjorn]

Since trade is a major factor in the real world (even in a medieval setting, as seen in Italy), I believe this can be a very interesting game mechanics. Making people actually depend a bit more on each other (what would happen to one's income if their business partner suddenly decides to cut ties with them because of political ideals?)