Quite a challenge, but a serious flaw

[Zom]

The more the challenge, the more the fun!

I have only just reloaded RTW after so many years of other games. I most fortuitously chose RTR as the mod I would try. Everything about RTR feels so good. No pushover, for certain. The family system playing Rome has me scurrying about, probably too much to my detriment. I have no doubt my conquests are behind schedule. Which of course is why I so much enjoy this module.

Now that I have played several years, I would choose to go back and start afresh, wiser for my errors I trust. But the prospect of initiating a new game with an existential battle (that I won the first try) at its onset does not thrill me. I have an interest to restart the strategic game, but no interest in fighting a tactical battle already fought and won.

I see this as a serious flaw to the mod. Surely, there are probably good historical arguments to be made for the necessity to fight this particular battle at that particular time. But playability argues that the battle be skipped, in favor of allowing the student of strategy to reap the benefits of his lessons. What is the point of refighting a battle already won? Sheer drudgery, IMHO.

Had I the foresight, I would have saved the beginning of that very first turn, after having won the initial battle. Then, I could have restarted the real game as many times as my devious mind could desire, without the drudgery. But now, I seem doomed to play out my first game, bearing the burdens of mistakes of a steep learning curve, unless I subject myself to again fighting that battle already won.

Please, tell me that I am wrong. Please tell me that the module can be restarted as Rome without having to fight the same old enormous battle, and that I just did not have the wit to see how it is done. Or failing that, please tell me why the creators of this otherwise most excellent module require that I refight the same tired old battle over and over again... and tell me from which circle of Hell do these fiendish creators spawn?

[AngryTitusPullo]

Disable the script portion of the starting battle. Someone who have the script in hand and a know how can do that in less than a minute.

[Sphere]

There is something wrong with your soul.

[Zom]

There is something wrong with your soul.

What? Fighting the same battle over again is good for the soul? Sort of like doing penance? Should I wear a hair shirt while I play?

Thanks for your most helpful response.

Fight the battle again, win it and make a backup save of that moment before doing anything else in the first turn (remember to manually start the script though).

I fear that I am limited to either this choice, or to continue the current game burdened by the effects of learning errors. Oh well, the latter choice is more real to life, isn't it?

Disable the script portion of the starting battle. Someone who have the script in hand and a know how can do that in less than a minute.

Thank you for your well meaning reply. I regret that I am only a Liberal Arts dreamer, not a Tech geek, and not up to the task.

[Pat89]

Fight the battle again, win it and make a backup save of that moment before doing anything else in the first turn (remember to manually start the script though). That way you can always simply skip it if you want.

[Mausolos of Caria]

You might as well just play another faction than Epiros, Rome or Carthago

[Muizer]

Use auto-calc

[Caligula Caesar]

+ you can open the console (with ~ or `) and type in auto_win attacker/defender (defender in this case I think) to make sure the auto-calc wins it for you.

[Zom]

+ you can open the console (with ~ or `) and type in auto_win attacker/defender (defender in this case I think) to make sure the auto-calc wins it for you.

When do you do that?

[Caligula Caesar]

When you can select whether to fight the battle on the battlefield or not.

[Sphere]

What? Fighting the same battle over again is good for the soul? Sort of like doing penance? Should I wear a hair shirt while I play?

Thanks for your most helpful response.

Do not brush this off so lightly.

That you do not enjoy it is a signal that there is something deeply wrong with your spirit.

[Spike]

Do not brush this off so lightly.

That you do not enjoy it is a signal that there is something deeply wrong with your spirit.

or fighting the same battle too much repeatedly

[Maurits]

or fighting the same battle too much repeatedly

Two times?

[Spike]

Two times?

I've played Rome and Epeiros at least 3 for Rome, and 2 for Epeiros, that means I 've played 5 times but I don't get bored by the battle yet

[Maurits]

Same for me, I was joking about the fact that 'fighting the battle too much repeatedly' in the OP's case was just the thought of fighting it for the second time

[Risasi]

The only winning move is to not play...

[Caligula Caesar]

Although, I have found that that battle takes an abominably long time sometimes Like the time when I won it with 100 men left on huge unit sizes...

[Sphere]

As Rome I withdrew from the battle after killing Phyrrus early on with most of my army intact.

Didn't help much in the conquest of southern Italy, it took about the same amount of time to gather enough forces to defeat the Epirote armies and take the cities. Really the outcome of the first battle isn't all that important, win or lose you have to gather sizable forces either way before you can make progress.