Malaysian ‘tribunal’ finds Bush, Blair guilty of war crimes

[Poet]

Malaysian ‘tribunal’ finds Bush, Blair guilty of war crimes

A symbolic tribunal in Malaysia ruled unanimously Tuesday that former U.S. President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair were both guilty of “crimes against peace” for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, part of an initiative by former Malaysian premier Mahathir Mohamad – a fierce critic of the Iraq war – found the former leaders guilty after a four-day hearing.

While the court is modeled after the post-World War II Nuremberg Tribunal, it carries no legal weight.


“War criminals have to be dealt with — convict Bush and Blair as charged,” a statement from Mahathir’s Perdana Global Peace Foundation said. “A guilty verdict will serve as a notice to the world that war criminals may run but can never ultimately hide from truth and justice.”

Mahathir, who stepped down in 2003 after 22 years in power, unveiled plans for the tribunal in 2007 just before he condemned Bush and Blair as “child killers” and “war criminals” at the launch of an annual anti-war conference.

A seven-member panel chaired by former Malaysian Federal Court judge Abdul Kadir Sulaiman presided over the trial, which began last Saturday, and both Bush and Blair were tried in absentia.

“The evidence showed that the drums of wars were being beaten long before the invasion. The accused in their own memoirs have admitted their own intention to invade Iraq regardless of international law,” it said.

Next week, the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal is expected to consider torture charges against former U.S.Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

This tribunal has no legal value but just like Tokyo Tribunal on Afghanistan, the purpose of this tribunal was the moral accountability and impeachment of Ex-American and British heads of Government. Whenever in future these war criminals are brought before international forums for justice (which is very unlikely given the fact that those forums have been persecuting regimes which were opposing these war criminals' respective nations), finding of these two tribunals will help in establishing guilt of the two war criminals and their dirty accomplices. Discuss.

[Border Patrol]

So does this mean we get to liberate Malaysia now?

[Prosaic Visitant]

Good for Marathir. Perhaps we should look into his reign next.

[Condottiere 40K]

Good for Marathir. Perhaps we should look into his reign next.

You'll have to hurry, he's eighty six.

Also, he's completely irrelevant now, and watching his legacy crumble, accelerated by his own actions in office.

[Glista]

I'm in dilemma if idiotism should be punishable

[frozenprince]

Nothing to discuss. Just more scapegoating using the big names involved, ironic considering the Marathir wasen't exactly a great leader himself. What evidence was used? What objectivity does the court have? What the blimy hell is the point of this?

[s.rwitt]

My roomates and I just convened a tribunal that declared Mila Kunis hotter than Megan Fox.

[Phier]

My roomates and I just convened a tribunal that declared Mila Kunis hotter than Megan Fox.

Without makeup is the only real test and without it both are "eh" so the tribunal is null and void.

[s.rwitt]

Without makeup is the only real test and without it both are "eh" so the tribunal is null and void.

Toe-thumbs.

[kentuckybandit]

Poet I think you are suffering from a sad disconnect from reality. Whether you want to admit it or not there is a difference, when comes to international law and the rules of war between INTENTIONAL MASSACRE and INTENTIONAL SYSTEMATIC TARGETING of civilian populations, versus civilian deaths due to proximity to military targets. Since you appear to be in such a delicate emotional state, I will try to stay away from the words 'collateral damage' as callous as they are. But the fact remains, targeting infrastructure and military targets with smart weapons does not equal indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilian sectors. Is war horrible? Yes. Do I feel good when I see pictures of dead Iraqi children and families? Of course not, I want to vomit. But such is the nature of war. That war was fought with the best technology available to minimize civilian loss of life. Please stop comparing it to past campaigns of extermination.

[Poet]

Poet I think you are suffering from a sad disconnect from reality. Whether you want to admit it or not there is a difference, when comes to international law and the rules of war between INTENTIONAL MASSACRE and INTENTIONAL SYSTEMATIC TARGETING of civilian populations, versus civilian deaths due to proximity to military targets. Since you appear to be in such a delicate emotional state, I will try to stay away from the words 'collateral damage' as callous as they are. But the fact remains, targeting infrastructure and military targets with smart weapons does not equal indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilian sectors. Is war horrible? Yes. Do I feel good when I see pictures of dead Iraqi children and families? Of course not, I want to vomit. But such is the nature of war. That war was fought with the best technology available to minimize civilian loss of life. Please stop comparing it to past campaigns of extermination.

Really? How naive of me. Dear brother I wish such a war for every American then.

Roland Huguenin-Benjamin, a spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Iraq, described what happened in Hilla and neighboring villages as “a horror.” His team saw “several dozens of bodies which were completely blown to pieces” and “dozens of severed bodies and scattered limbs.” Huguenin-Benjamin confirmed there were at least 460 wounded, being treated in an ill-equipped 280-bed hospital that was “completely unable to cope.” All victims were “farmers, women and children.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/ap...clus-a05.shtml

[mrmouth]

Without makeup is the only real test and without it both are "eh" so the tribunal is null and void.

The true test is without hair. Without both hair and makeup is too much.

[Menelik_I]

My roomates and I just convened a tribunal that declared Mila Kunis hotter than Megan Fox.

Amateurs ... Taylor Shift or bust !

So does this mean we get to liberate Malaysia now?

I heard it is a great place to to train Jungle Warfare, urban assault and amphibious landings ... gotta ask the British chaps if they have any plans gathering dust.

[Bobz]

I head it is a great place to to train Jungle Warfare, urban assault and amphibious landings ... gotta ask the British chaps if they have any plans gathering dust.

We've already got troops in Brunei, simply roll over the border and it's liberation time

[TheDarkKnight]

My roomates and I just convened a tribunal that declared Mila Kunis hotter than Megan Fox.

Seems legit...I think I'll hold a tribunal later with some friends to discuss which is better...Pepsi or Coke.


In any case, how is this relevant at all? It did absolutely nothing other than waste four perfectly good days.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Amazing. A fake tribunal created specifically to find these guys guilty has found them guilty. Well done poet.

[Lordreaven]

Amazing. A fake tribunal created specifically to find these guys guilty has found them guilty. Well done poet.

Would have been better if they found them innocent

[Ajantis]

Amazing. A fake tribunal created specifically to find these guys guilty has found them guilty. Well done poet.

It reminds me of the Hague tribunal for former Yugoslavia...

[removeduser_487563287433]

It reminds me of the Hague tribunal for former Yugoslavia...

A court set up by the nations of earth, staffed by senior, independent, multiple-national judges that tries cases over the course of years where the defendant is provided an entire team of some of the most skilled lawyers of the human race is not really comprable to a three day tribunal by some bush haters.

[Eien]

A court set up by the nations of earth, staffed by senior, independent, multiple-national judges that tries cases over the course of years where the defendant is provided an entire team of some of the most skilled lawyers of the human race is not really comprable to a three day tribunal by some bush haters.

Indeed, and now i don't know where should i hide my Malaysian face now