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    Default Is there any restriction to close siblings Gay marriage ?

    In the gay marriage laws proposed, or effectively passed in various countries, is there any restriction to close siblings marrying or incestuous marriages ?

    Could any one provide a source of a ideologue* of gay marriage which provide any kind of limiting principle for who can have a gay marriage or not ?

    Is there even such a restriction ?

    * Ideologue is not meant as a derogatory term, but means a person whose opinions are widely respected in a political/social/intellectual movements, and which the members of said movement try to translate into policy change.
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    Default Re: Is there any restriction to close siblings Gay marriage ?

    are you serious? marriage, gay or not, will still be regulated by laws regarding incest relationship in various states..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_re...#United_States

    All the regulations regarding marriage at state level will APPLY TO GAY MARRIAGE. This thread is very stupid.
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    it's never mentioned. Now find me a source for the other side stating that siblings shouldn't marry.

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    Default Re: Is there any restriction to close siblings Gay marriage ?

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    it's never mentioned.
    Which is kind of why I have been asking myself the question, do you know any major pro-gay marriage figure who have a work (book or lecture) discussing it ?

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    Now find me a source for the other side stating that siblings shouldn't marry.
    Please, don't try to play the TWC contrarians, if you don't have enough willingness to read a Bible, the Koran or consult a Fatwa registry and Catholic/Protestant Ecclesiastical figures, then maybe I can't help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post


    Please, don't try to play the TWC contrarians, if you don't have enough willingness to read a Bible, the Koran or consult a Fatwa registry and Catholic/Protestant Ecclesiastical figures, then maybe I can't help you.
    you mean the holy book with a prophet raping his daughter?

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    If Gay marriage is treated as legal contract similar to the existing status of marriage then all laws regarding incest would still apply.

    I'm somewhat confused as to the purpose of this thread. Five minutes googling would likely of answered this easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    If Gay marriage is treated as legal contract similar to the existing status of marriage then all laws regarding incest would still apply.
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    read the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    I'm somewhat confused as to the purpose of this thread. Five minutes googling would likely of answered this easily.
    I am well aware of the confusion the thread is causing, and it is indeed amusing.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    If Gay marriage is treated as legal contract similar to the existing status of marriage then all laws regarding incest would still apply.

    I'm somewhat confused as to the purpose of this thread. Five minutes googling would likely of answered this easily.
    OP is saying gay marriage somehow will be exempt from all the other marriage related regulations....somehow

    yes, i know, this thread is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    OP is saying gay marriage somehow will be exempt from all the other marriage related regulations....somehow

    yes, i know, this thread is stupid.
    The way he phrases it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Melenik_I
    In the gay marriage laws proposed, or effectively passed in various countries, is there any restriction to close siblings marrying or incestuous marriages ?

    Could any one provide a source of a ideologue* of gay marriage which provide any kind of limiting principle for who can have a gay marriage or not ?

    Is there even such a restriction ?
    Seems to imply he's asking a question as to whether they are restricted, rather than whether they should be. But i generally have a hard time deciphering Melenik's posts on the best of days. So it's entirely possible i've misread this.

    Either way I agree, it's a pretty stupid question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    The way he phrases it:



    Seems to imply he's asking a question as to whether they are restricted, rather than whether they should be. But i generally have a hard time deciphering Melenik's posts on the best of days. So it's entirely possible i've misread this.

    Either way I agree, it's a pretty stupid question.
    OP's logic is this, if no one in the gay marriage movement said anything about this, gay marriage must have no limits and gay brothers can get married.

    If we use this logic, we can assume OP is a pedophile because we never had a sworn statement from him saying he is not pedophile.

    It is a stupid way to think and this thread is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    OP's logic is this, if no one in the gay marriage movement said anything about this, gay marriage must have no limits and gay brothers can get married.

    If we use this logic, we can assume OP is a pedophile because we never had a sworn statement from him saying he is not pedophile.

    It is a stupid way to think and this thread is stupid.
    Ah so it's a thinly veiled anti-gay marriage thread. Go it.
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    Default Re: Is there any restriction to close siblings Gay marriage ?

    Gay Marriage laws will follow the same rules as current Marriage laws, whats their to discuss?
    Its pretty hard to find someone involved who has had a say on this matter since almost everyone automaticaly knows that it will follow the normal rules....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLN445 View Post
    Gay Marriage laws will follow the same rules as current Marriage laws, whats their to discuss?
    You are assuming, I wanted to ask do you think that Gay Marriage should have incest law, I would have posted in Monastica.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLN445 View Post
    Its pretty hard to find someone involved who has had a say on this matter since almost everyone automaticaly knows that it will follow the normal rules....
    I also had this assumption that it will follow normal rules, but it doesn't hurt to double check?

    Know any book promoting gay marriage or better yet, what was the first books wrote in favor gay marriage ?

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    Social cohesion, maladies of the faculties of reason, and common decency eh eh old sport?
    Are you claiming that a gay romance causes mental illness ?

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    Far better to be a heterosexual male married to a non sibling with a slew of mistresses wot wot.
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    Default Re: Is there any restriction to close siblings Gay marriage ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Are you claiming that a gay romance causes mental illness ?
    I say gay porn is what causes mental illness of common people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    I say gay porn is what causes mental illness of common people.
    I had a friend in Boarding school who set a ''trap'' ... He twisted the video files, so when some dudes stole His laptop to watch porn it start all normal until without warning it was gay porn

    They yelled in horror and went looking for the guy to beat him up
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Are you claiming that a gay romance causes mental illness ?
    No. Simply that a homosexual relationship between siblings is probably a strong sign that there's something wrong in the old noggin. It's quite clear that we're normally conditioned psychologically to not want to do that.

    Although I'm sure it's discriminatory to believe that inbreeding should be discouraged I'm a big proponent of outbreeding. Hybrid vigor and all that jazz. As Napoleon Dynamite pointed out Ligers are bred for its skills in magic. That's why I have to marry a Bantu woman. I've got to even out my pallid flesh before I doom my generations to skin cancer. Plus my second cousin is half Ugandan and he's adorable...


    It is called charity to womankind
    Indeed. What with the misogyny that is so encoded in our society it seems highly inappropriate to expect women to be able to take care of themselves in the face of so much hate. As such a gentlemen ought to look to the livelihood of young women who otherwise would not be able to fend for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    No. Simply that a homosexual relationship between siblings is probably a strong sign that there's something wrong in the old noggin. It's quite clear that we're normally conditioned psychologically to not want to do that.

    Although I'm sure it's discriminatory to believe that inbreeding should be discouraged I'm a big proponent of outbreeding. Hybrid vigor and all that jazz. As Napoleon Dynamite pointed out Ligers are bred for its skills in magic.
    Yes, it would be insane to have such a over sexualized society that a child can't have some rest at home without his brothers or sister hitting on him.

    What about if there is a genetic engineered cure to inbreeding defects ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    That's why I have to marry a Bantu woman. I've got to even out my pallid flesh before I doom my generations to skin cancer. Plus my second cousin is half Ugandan and he's adorable...
    I love my mom, but the hair I inherited from her suck big time ... especially since my brother and my sister have have smooth European hair from my dad.

    Hair antics apart, I say go for it and make the world a better place, and do it with love
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Yes, it would be insane to have such a over sexualized society that a child can't have some rest at home without his brothers or sister hitting on him.

    What about if there is a genetic engineered cure to inbreeding defects ?
    Even if there was Legalization due to genetic safety there still is the Westermarck Effect in play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Indeed. What with the misogyny that is so encoded in our society it seems highly inappropriate to expect women to be able to take care of themselves in the face of so much hate. As such a gentlemen ought to look to the livelihood of young women who otherwise would not be able to fend for themselves.
    What hate are you talking about ? Please cut the feminist mumbo jumbo already, unless the woman lives in Iran or Saudi Arabia, in most western and non-western countries man appreciate enterprising and successful women. Even one of the most uptight and traditional society of its time, Great Britain, had a female prime-minister before it was a thing and most of the hate she got was from the feminist&Co for political reasons.

    Don't play the Misogyny card please, people have affairs for a lot of reasons from lust to enjoyment of sex or just the adventure of it.

    Are the women who knowingly have an affair with a married or engaged man misogynist too
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    What hate are you talking about ? Please cut the feminist mumbo jumbo already, unless the woman lives in Iran or Saudi Arabia, in most western and non-western countries man appreciate enterprising and successful women. Even one of the most uptight and traditional society of its time, Great Britain, had a female prime-minister before it was a thing and most of the hate she got was from the feminist&Co for political reasons.

    Don't play the Misogyny card please, people have affairs for a lot of reasons from lust to enjoyment of sex or just the adventure of it.

    Are the women who knowingly have an affair with a married or engaged man misogynist too
    That was a jab at third wave feminist's ironic misogyny.

    1st wave was like "Give us equal rights please." 2nd wave was "Thanks for the rights, but please treat us like equals." 3rd wave is like "Shut up pig! Women need special treatment."
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