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    why so much secrecy surrounding negotiations involving a trans pacific free trade agreement? Why are the public being excluded from what these negotiations mean for our working men and women?
    Secrecy blankets trade talks
    By Carey L Biron

    WASHINGTON - The latest round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), potentially the largest free -trade agreement to be signed by the United States, began Tuesday with a blanket of secrecy over their content.

    Despite claims by the US government of considerable transparency in the process, the talks, being held in Dallas, are covering material that has remained almost completely out of the public's eye.

    "Because the negotiations have been conducted in extreme secrecy, we have no idea yet what is in the text," says Rashmi Rangnath, a director with Public Knowledge, an advocacy group here in Washington. "What we do know is that lack of
    Secrecy blankets trade talks
    By Carey L Biron

    WASHINGTON - The latest round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), potentially the largest free -trade agreement to be signed by the United States, began Tuesday with a blanket of secrecy over their content.

    Despite claims by the US government of considerable transparency in the process, the talks, being held in Dallas, are covering material that has remained almost completely out of the public's eye.

    "Because the negotiations have been conducted in extreme secrecy, we have no idea yet what is in the text," says Rashmi Rangnath, a director with Public Knowledge, an advocacy group here in Washington. "What we do know is that lack of



    transparency tends to skew the text of such agreements in favor of large corporations."

    Although a draft of the chapter on intellectual property rights was leaked in February, much of the rest of the 26 chapters have been kept away from public scrutiny.

    Some outside of the negotiations have had significant time with the chapters, however. Early drafts of TPP content have reportedly been discussed at length with large corporate interests, such as 20th Century Fox, which has a key stake in intellectual property-related regulations.

    Thus far, the justification for this secrecy has been minimal. "Basically we have been told two things," Rangnath says. "First, that this is precedent. And second, that this level of secrecy is necessary during negotiations in order to arrive at a compromise."
    The TPP would be a free-trade agreement between the US and eight Asia-Pacific countries: Australia, Brunei, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. Canada, Japan and Mexico are also expected to join the talks, although the Japanese have yet to make a final decision on the matter.

    The possibility of future Indian and Chinese participation is being held out as a far-off, though for many tantalizing prospect.

    Proponents suggest that, if the TPP passes, it could boost intra-regional trade by more than US$1 trillion per year by 2025.

    While the official talks are to be held May 11-13, the full 12th round is said to be stretching from May 8-18. This is an unusually lengthy period for face-to-face negotiations, particularly given that the 11th round took place only two months ago, in March in Australia.

    According to observers, the President Barack Obama administration is pushing for as many such rounds as possible before the end of the year, in an attempt to bull through the far-reaching agreement.

    It is unclear whether that timetable is possible, however, as pushback against the TPP has continued in recent months, from governments and civil society.

    Over the past week alone, members of the US government have urged Obama to alter certain draft provisions of the agreement, while a US business lobbyist has rued a great "gap between the ambitious vision of our leaders and what is being proposed at the negotiating table".

    Longstanding criticism also has yet to abate. Much of this comes from the fact that, for most countries, the TPP would not offer many trade benefits - including, most importantly, greater access to US markets.

    Simultaneously, US negotiators are pushing for significant concessions from potential members.

    "This is very unusual for a free-trade agreement," said Sean Flynn, director of the Information Justice Program at American University here in Washington. "There is very little 'carrot'" to counteract some of the more strident compromises.

    Flynn said that Chile, Australia, Singapore and Peru have each expressed public reticence over the current contours of the TPP, given that these countries already have expansive trade agreements with the United States. "This means that Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia would pay the highest cost."

    According to what has been seen from the leaked chapter on intellectual property rights, the TPP appears to be pushing a "maximalist", enforcement-focused approach, he said.

    This directly counters the "development agenda" that has been evolved in institutions such as the United Nations' World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), through processes involving significant input by developing countries, outside of the World Trade Organization (WTO).

    "The US clearly wants to go beyond international standards on intellectual property - beyond WIPO," says Krista Cox, an attorney at Knowledge Ecology International, an NGO here in Washington.

    For developing countries, some of the most direct impacts of this expansion of punitive powers over intellectual property could be on health issues.

    While US global health policy has seen significant strengthening over the past five years, passage of the TPP "would start rolling this back", said Peter Maybarduk, director of the Access to Medicines Program at Public Citizen, a consumer advocacy group here.

    Worldwide over the past 10 years, prices for HIV-related medicines, for instance, have fallen by 99%, largely driven by competition from generic drugs. While the fight against generics by large pharmaceutical interests has largely shifted away from the WTO, Maybarduk suggests, the TPP agreement signals the next iteration of that effort.

    "The TPP could well be the worst that we have seen," Maybarduk says. "Not only does it run contrary to the US's own pledges on global AIDS work, but the TPP will set the template for the entire Asia-Pacific region. That could have an impact on half of the world's population."

    (Inter Press Service)
    Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Asian_E.../NE09Dk01.html

    However it appears that there's good reason why the powers that be want to keep the public ignorant regarding the details about the TPP:
    US firms to control NZ legislation?
    WILLIAM MACE Last updated 05:00 09/05/2012

    Fears that American companies could gain control over New Zealand's lawmaking process have provoked a strong response from dozens of the country's legal minds.

    More than 60 New Zealanders, including retired judges, practising lawyers, sitting members of Parliament and university academics, have issued an open letter to the lead negotiators of each country attending the latest round of Trans-Pacific Partnership talks beginning in Dallas, Texas, today.

    The letter, signed by more than 100 international law experts, calls upon all governments engaged in TPP talks to reject the "investor-state dispute settlement" mechanism, which essentially gives private companies the ability to take civil action against foreign governments.

    The Australian Government has taken the lead on excluding these provisions from any agreement that it signs, including its current free-trade agreement with the United States and South Korea also has concerns about its free-trade agreement with the US.

    TPP proponents have said it will boost trade between the nine signatory countries by $1.1 trillion, although critics have said that that is an overestimation.

    In return for access to lucrative American markets, US business interests are pushing for the inclusion of provisions which go further than the traditional tariff and subsidy scope of trade agreements, such as the "investor-state" provisions.

    The New Zealand Government's plan to force tobacco companies to use plain, unmarked packaging for selling cigarettes here could be subject to such a foreign legal challenge, as it has been in the US.

    Tobacco companies' arguments that the US Government's proposal to display graphic health warnings on cigarette packets abridges their freedom of speech are being fought in the US courts and are likely to reach the Supreme Court soon.

    A principal signatory to the letter, Professor Bryan Gould – a former vice-chancellor of Waikato University and a former British Labour MP – said he was not hostile to free trade itself but believed the TPP had many more far-reaching implications.

    "This agreement, although it's presented as a free-trade agreement, is much more than that: it's allowing major foreign corporations to have a disproportionate influence over our power to make our own decisions," Gould said.

    "There's little point in going through the whole democratic process and electing governments and all the rest of it if, in the end, those governments are subject to the power exercised by people well beyond our shores."

    Stephen Jacobi, executive director of the New Zealand-United States Council, said trade provisions generally respected a sovereign government's right to regulate on public health and environmental issues, and in New Zealand's case, took the Treaty of Waitangi into account.

    - © Fairfax NZ News
    Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6883...NZ-legislation

    But despite the general sense of silence from your major newscasters, consumer and labour groups in the countries affected have found ways of discovering the details within, and are starting to make their voices heard, not just in NZ:
    Although the deal, known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has received relatively little media attention in the United States, it has sparked international friction among consumer groups and environmental activists who worry that terms demanded by the Obama administration will eliminate important public protections. Domestically, however, the deal's primary source of political tension is from a portion that could ban "Buy American" provisions -- a restriction that opponents emphasize would crimp U.S. jobs.
    Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1475277.html

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    I blame the excess of Law School and Economics graduates, there are so many of them that it is impossible that ing stupid ideas aren't created at an industrial rate.

    I don't think we could really discuss a secret agreement, other than it seems that the SOPA Zombie is try to come back to life once more, the rest of the agreements might be actually very good. Every trade agreement will always have opponents in all countries because there are so many interests in conflict here.

    Also we all know that New Zealand is the last piece in the Americano-Zionist plan for galactic domination
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    I blame the excess of Law School and Economics graduates, there are so many of them that it is impossible that ing stupid ideas aren't created at an industrial rate.
    That's pretty stupid. Trade agreement is complicated because trade is complicated. We are talking about tens of thousands of different kinds of goods. It is better to specify everything on paper now. If you leave anything vague, you have to fight it out in arbitration and courts later. That costs way more money.

    A little thinking in writing your post would be better.
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    Thanks for posting this, Exarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    I blame the excess of Law School and Economics graduates, there are so many of them that it is impossible that ing stupid ideas aren't created at an industrial rate.

    I don't think we could really discuss a secret agreement, other than it seems that the SOPA Zombie is try to come back to life once more, the rest of the agreements might be actually very good. Every trade agreement will always have opponents in all countries because there are so many interests in conflict here.

    Also we all know that New Zealand is the last piece in the Americano-Zionist plan for galactic domination
    new zealand is just one example the fact that these negotiations are being conducted without involving the people-who will be the most affected- goes to show that TPP is designed to benefit large corporations rather than the people.

    It's apt that you referenced SOPA; these so called anti-copyright laws are simply designed to keep as much of the power and money with the current large corporations so as to stifle competition and creativity. They want to maintain their current monopoly so they don't have to haul their arse when it comes to giving us what we want.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brick Top View Post
    Thanks for posting this, Exarch.
    np, mate

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    This story is confirmed. This is worrying indeed and needs more coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    This story is confirmed. This is worrying indeed and needs more coverage.
    bloody oath; we need real investigative journalists asking the hard hitting questions and doing their Deep Throat bit, not the pussies who've sold out.

    Big question on everyone's lips is: what will this mean for ordinary workers in the participant countries?

    the thing with FTAs is that they require years and years of negotiations and wheeling and dealing and compromise for it to go ahead. President Clinton's FTAA started in the early 90s doesn't look like it's got much of a chance of survival this decade, for instance.

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    If it's to establish a trade pact with a strong emphasis on intellectual property, it makes sense, as Europe is looking as a lost cause as the EU starts refining exactly what is being protected and from whom, whereas the economic dynamism of the Pacific Rim will probably eclipse the Atlantic one.
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    Wow Exarch, normaly im critical of you but. Excellent find. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

    Hope more details surface soon, otherwise the conspiracy nutters will have a damn field day.

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    is it any wonder that the only cable sources reporting on the TPP are those considered 'dissident' by the mainstream press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    is it any wonder that the only cable sources reporting on the TPP are those considered 'dissident' by the mainstream press?
    Let's not get into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Let's not get into that.
    but it's true though, the only sources actively keeping a critical track of TPP are community activist sites like reddit or non mainstream american/UK/NZ/Aus media, like RT. Whatever RT's ownership of attitude towards the US, at the very least they're reporting on a trade agreement that's going to have far reaching and deep implications for EVERYONE.

    you name it, copyright, medicines, videos, material goods etc, it's going to be covered without our say and in secret. I'd say that this level of secrecy over something that's going to affect each and every one of us is a bad thing, else why the secrecy? could it be that if the public knew the details they'd be up in arms over the conditions upon which our rights are being raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    but it's true though, the only sources actively keeping a critical track of TPP are community activist sites like reddit or non mainstream american/UK/NZ/Aus media, like RT. Whatever RT's ownership of attitude towards the US, at the very least they're reporting on a trade agreement that's going to have far reaching and deep implications for EVERYONE.
    It's just not being picked up by CNN, FOX, or MSNBC for their own selfish reasons. It does not mean RT stands up for justice in America. They are entirely pro-Moscow and lean towards pro-Ba'athist. They've also picked up stories in previous threads that are based on assumptions and no real data to back up their opinion pieces. The fact that they have tried to put Hezbollah in a seemingly neutral or positive light while condemning the Syrian Free Army is glaring testament to their sympathies. To me, they are the FOX of Russia.

    Furthermore, I confirmed this story with local Dallas news and with the Washington Times.
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    WEll if the Corps want to stage a coup d'etat like this, they should be treated like the traitors they are. The people are sovereign not the corporations, if it takes a dozen or a hundred, if it takes a million, treason convictions to make that clear (the convicted toe be hung, drawn quartered, have there estates seized and there families exiled to inhospitable rocks in the north Atlantic, with some farming tools and seeds), then roll them on.

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    Not a single mention from the BBC, nothing in the 'we stand for the people' rag aka the Guardian, not even the Independent has decided to provide coverage so far. This is indicative of the kind of mainstream journalism we have today.

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    the silence is once again deafening; so we're once again forced to get out sources on the TPP from non mainstream news sources:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    the silence is once again deafening; so we're once again forced to get out sources on the TPP from non mainstream news sources:


    It's right here:

    http://www.ustr.gov/tpp
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    This only reinforces what most of us already knew. Never rely on one news outlet for your information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayle View Post
    This only reinforces what most of us already knew. Never rely on one news outlet for your information.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1540984.html

    Actually, what it really reinforces is the fact that mainstream outlets in America shy away from challenging the establishment because they're afraid to lose their privileged access to power, while alternative and foreign news outlets like Russia Today and Huffington Post don't face that problem, regardless of their own issues and bias.
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    would it be apt then, to describe these obliging mainstream media outlets as 'state controlled media', especially given the level and extent of collusion, at the expense of journalistic integrity?

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