Candidate falsely Claim to be Native American is Militiamen descendant

[Menelik_I]

I love stories about the silly side of race relations, especially since I lots of forms in the UK ask me if I am white or black for ''equal opportunity purpose'', But this is a new level stupid.

Candidate Elizabeth Warren [She is challenging Republican Scott Brown for the Massachusetts Senate Seat] claimed to be of Cherokee Native American heritage in University application forms and on the campaign trail, apparently for professional and political gains, turn outs to be descendant of a US Militia member who rounded up Cherokee from their homes ... Heritage, I don't it means what you think it means.

As I pointed out in my article here on Sunday, no evidence supports this claim [that her great-great-great grandmother was Cherokee]. O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford had no Cherokee heritage, was listed as “white” in the Census of 1860, and was most likely half Swedish and half English, Scottish, or German, or some combination thereof. (Note, the actual 1894 marriage license makes no claim of Cherokee ancestry.)

But the most stunning discovery about the life of O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford is that her husband, Ms. Warren’s great-great-great grandfather, was apparently a member of the Tennessee Militia who rounded up Cherokees from their family homes in the Southeastern United States and herded them into government-built stockades in what was then called Ross’s Landing (now Chattanooga), Tennessee—the point of origin for the horrific Trail of Tears, which began in January, 1837.

Jonathan Crawford, O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford’s husband and apparently Ms. Warren's great-great-great grandfather, served in the East Tennessee Mounted Infantry Volunteer Militia commanded by Brigadier General R. G. Dunlap from late 1835 to late 1836. While under Dunlap’s command he was a member of Major William Lauderdale’s Battalion, and Captain Richard E. Waterhouse’s Company.
These were the troops responsible for removing Cherokee families from homes they had lived in for generations in the three states that the Cherokee Nations had considered their homelands for centuries: Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Trail-of-Tears

The only way for her to be Indian is to there is a Disney romance story buried somewhere there.

There is an obvious Godwin analogy I will not make here, but could TWC American members explain to us if this is still not silly enough to reconsider the whole idea of race relations in the US ?
Is her candidacy dead in the water ?
How this affect Obama in November if she loses?

At least I learned that all Indians have high cheekbones.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Can't she be the descendant of both?

[Menelik_I]

Can't she be the descendant of both?

Unlikely at best, because the supposed Great-great-great Mother was married to a Militia Member who rounded up Cherokees for the expulsion, you would need a Pocahontas style Disney scenario or a Spanish kind of secret Jew conspiracy during the Inquisition to make it work.

I updated the OP for more info, you can follow the link to read more of the background.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Unlikely at best, because the supposed Great-great-great Mother was married to a Militia Member who rounded up Cherokees for the expulsion, you would need a Pocahontas style Disney scenario or a Spanish kind of secret Jew conspiracy during the Inquisition to make it work.

Not really. If we're going back to Great-great-great grandmothers then that's 60 ancestors in total, of which only two need to be a militia man and a cherokee. It's entirely possible.

[Menelik_I]

Not really. If we're going back to Great-great-great grandmothers then that's 60 ancestors in total, of which only two need to be a militia man and a cherokee or the descended of Alexander the Great or Willy the Clown. It's entirely possible.

Fixed.

Don't try to make a purely statistical argument, when asked for Her proof of being Native American she claimed that this Specific Great-great-great grandmother was Cherokee and produced the marriage certificate as proof. Using the certificate and Census record, this is how they reached the conclusion.

[ivan_the_terrible]

Can't she be the descendant of both?

That would only increase the absurdity of affirmative action: one of her ancestors oppressed another and she gets compensation...

[removeduser_487563287433]

That would only increase the absurdity of affirmative action: one of her ancestors oppressed another and she gets compensation...

What's this got to do with affirmative action?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Um. Do you really need explaining how a cherokee woman and a militiaman man might have ended up married? Intermarriage between European colonists and Native American women is hardly uncommon. Most Native Americans today are "part" Native American for that reason.

[Menelik_I]

Um. Do you really need explaining how a cherokee woman and a militiaman man might have ended up married? Intermarriage between European colonists and Native American women is hardly uncommon.

You obviously didn't read the OP and are embarking in your usual power trips. Have fun.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Okay. So has this candidate any response to the allegations?

[Menelik_I]

Okay. So has this candidate any response to the allegations?

1- These are not allegations but mostly facts if the documents are not forged, genealogists used the marriage certificate She provided to crosscheck with US Census records and veterans pensions application forms.

2- I don't know if she reacted yet.

Now, why would I care one way or another, on what appears to be either a fairly low blow or a desperate one?

Elizabeth Warren is someone you actually want in the Senate, she's very articulate, and at least superficially, cares about proletariat without being a socialist.

Because she is a liar and took opportunities away from actual Indians maybe ?

While I would like to wait for the full story to emerge, there is records that she indeed listed herself as Native American.

She’s “white” in 1973 at Rutgers, still “white” in 1981 at U of T, then suddenly minority in 1986 for those professional directories, then suddenly white again in 1995 when she stopped listing herself that way.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/1...-minority-too/

[Condottiere 40K]

Elizabeth Warren Did Not Claim Minority Status, Records Show

By STEVE LeBLANC 05/10/12 08:53 PM ET BOSTON -- Records show that the leading Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students.
The records on Elizabeth Warren were obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Warren's heritage has been under scrutiny after it surfaced that she had listed herself as having Native American heritage in law school directories.
Warren's campaign said the records reinforce her earlier statements that she never relied on a claim of minority status to get teaching jobs. She has criticized the campaign of Republican U.S. Sen. Scott Brown for suggesting that might be the case.
A third document obtained by the AP Thursday indicated that the University of Pennsylvania, where Warren also worked, identified her as a minority professor.
Brown has called on Warren to release all law school applications and personnel files from the universities where she taught.
Warren worked at the University of Texas from 1983 to 1987, when she took a job at the University of Pennsylvania Law School.
A report by a committee established to review the status of minority faculty at the University of Pennsylvania identifies Warren as a minority, however, without elaborating.
The new documents paint a fuller picture of Warren's law school record.
On the Rutgers application, Warren wrote "No" in response to the question: "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?"

Warren graduated from Rutgers in 1976.
On a personnel file from the University of Texas, Warren checked the box "White" when asked to select "the racial category or categories with which you most closely identify."
The categories included a box for "American Indian or Alaska Native," which Warren did not check.
Another document that surfaced Thursday is a 2005 report by a committee established to review the status of minority faculty at the University of Pennsylvania.
The report by the university's Minority Equity Committee includes a list of faculty members who worked at the school. Warren worked there as a law professor until 1995, when she left to take a job at Harvard Law School.
The report listed the names of minorities in bold and italics, and Warren's was included among those names. It indicated that Warren had won a teacher award at the school, and that only eight of the 112 awards give out during a 13-year span had gone to minority teachers.
Warren's campaign said the records from Rutgers and Texas bolster her argument that she was able to land a job at Harvard Law School in 1995 based on hard work and achievement, not claims of Native American heritage.
"At every law school where Elizabeth was recruited to teach, it has been made absolutely clear she was hired based on merit; on her accomplishments and ability," Warren spokeswoman Alethea Harney said in a statement Thursday.
"Documents from the college and law school from which she graduated show that Elizabeth did not seek special treatment by acknowledging her Native American heritage," Harney added.
Brown has said serious questions have been raised about Warren's claims to Native American ancestry and whether it was appropriate for her to assume minority status as a college professor, and that Warren should settle those questions by authorizing the release of her law school applications and all personnel files from the various universities where she has taught.
Harvard Law School professor Charles Fried has said that any suggestion that Warren enjoyed an affirmative action advantage in her hiring as a full professor is "false" and that Warren was recruited because of her expertise in bankruptcy and commercial law. A Massachusetts genealogist said he uncovered evidence that Warren's great-great-great grandmother had listed herself as Cherokee in an 1894 document. That would make Warren a 1/32nd American Indian.

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Now, why would I care one way or another, on what appears to be either a fairly low blow or a desperate one?

Elizabeth Warren is someone you actually want in the Senate, she's very articulate, and at least superficially, cares about proletariat without being a socialist.

[hellheaven1987]

Proof you can be a white Native American.

[Thorn777]

With all the zillion of real world life and death arguments this woman tries to get across, a corporate ladgog like Scott Brown can only come up with some confusion around signing applications, when after review it doesnt even matter since she is 1/32 Cherokee.

Good job once again menelik. I see your getting allot of kneejerk material from facist-libertarian websites like others get theirs from stormfront.

Pathetic really....

[Phier]

Thorn it needs work, here learn from an expert.

"In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States."

[Thorn777]

What counts is his role in office. Couldnt care less about guy in g-string.

[Sphere]

On a much more interesting subject;

The Cherokee Nation was for most of it's modern history not an ethnically based nation. I.e. you did not need "Cherokee blood" to be Cherokee in the same way as you don't need American blood to be American. However, a vote in 2007 sought to restrict citizenship to only "blood Cherokee's" and passed, and there has been a string of legal battles since while in the meantime non-blood Cherokee's have remained citizens.

Several things to note here; first the forced migration of the Cherokee's out of their Native south east lands by Jackson is doubly tragic because they were by far the most enlightened Native community in the US, offering citizenship to blacks before even the US government did, and having impressive educational and cultural institutions.

Second, the sad choice by "blood Cherokee's" to revoke the citizenship of "non-blood Cherokee's", just a dickish move in general, and undercuts the rather noble history of the Cherokee tribe.

[Menelik_I]

On a much more interesting subject;

The Cherokee Nation was for most of it's modern history not an ethnically based nation. I.e. you did not need "Cherokee blood" to be Cherokee in the same way as you don't need American blood to be American. However, a vote in 2007 sought to restrict citizenship to only "blood Cherokee's" and passed, and there has been a string of legal battles since while in the meantime non-blood Cherokee's have remained citizens.

Several things to note here; first the forced migration of the Cherokee's out of their Native south east lands by Jackson is doubly tragic because they were by far the most enlightened Native community in the US, offering citizenship to blacks before even the US government did, and having impressive educational and cultural institutions.

Second, the sad choice by "blood Cherokee's" to revoke the citizenship of "non-blood Cherokee's", just a dickish move in general, and undercuts the rather noble history of the Cherokee tribe.

That is seriously ed up.

The Wikipedia link don't say why they restricted membership in the tribe, but I would guess that they maybe did it to reduce the number of customers for whatever treaty benefits they have, or that they lost their old ways and are just following the trend of segregation by racial groups like everyone else, especially since they aren't insulated from the wider culture. If someone has a source, please share.

America is the best country in the world, but the worst place for race relations, culture and policies, from racial quotas, balkanization by skin color and card carrying tribal membership, this is seriously ed up. I hope this is not included in the Democracy America exports.

[Phier]

On a much more interesting subject;

The Cherokee Nation was for most of it's modern history not an ethnically based nation. I.e. you did not need "Cherokee blood" to be Cherokee in the same way as you don't need American blood to be American. However, a vote in 2007 sought to restrict citizenship to only "blood Cherokee's" and passed, and there has been a string of legal battles since while in the meantime non-blood Cherokee's have remained citizens.

Several things to note here; first the forced migration of the Cherokee's out of their Native south east lands by Jackson is doubly tragic because they were by far the most enlightened Native community in the US, offering citizenship to blacks before even the US government did, and having impressive educational and cultural institutions.

Second, the sad choice by "blood Cherokee's" to revoke the citizenship of "non-blood Cherokee's", just a dickish move in general, and undercuts the rather noble history of the Cherokee tribe.

So you are saying Mrs. Warren is decended from a black slave?

That should help her chances even better!

[Thorn777]

lolwut