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    Default New drug for treating prion-related brain diseases

    The tantalising prospect of treating a range of brain diseases, such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, all with the same drug, has been raised by UK researchers.

    In a study, published in Nature, they prevented brain cells dying in mice with prion disease.

    It is hoped the same method for preventing brain cell death could apply in other diseases.

    The findings are at an early stage, but have been heralded as "fascinating".

    Many neuro-degenerative diseases result in the build-up of proteins which are not put together correctly - known as misfolded proteins. This happens in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and Huntington's as well as in prion diseases, such as the human form of mad cow disease.
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    Prion, as some of you know, is a title for unnatural proteins, which like cancer cells, would multiply in brain (both human and animal) uncontrollable and kill the brain cells, cause bubble-like situation in brain. Mostly prion-disease kill patients quickly since currently there is no medicine to "destroy" proteins nor effective way to sterile proteins, and worse still, it can transfer through uncleaned food (as the case of Mad Cow disease). There are some theory about how prions happen, generally points to genetic defect, and there are cases suggest cannibalism increase the risk contacting prions too. Overall, it is a great news a disease that generally consider as incurable now has drug to counter it.
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    So what do we do now?

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    Can't you temporarily protect against prions by changing internal pH? This should alter the shape of the proteins and most likely render them useless. Of course, this is just temporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCENTCOM View Post
    Can't you temporarily protect against prions by changing internal pH? This should alter the shape of the proteins and most likely render them useless. Of course, this is just temporary.
    The problem is not prions kill the cells but the cells, detect the number of abnormal proteins presence, shift their own mechanism to shut down their won protein production in order to prevent the increase of abnormal proteins. However, since amount prions would not reduce the cells themselves would forever stop producing necessary proteins they need, eventually starve the cells themselves to death.

    The new drug is aiming to trick cells to think the environment is safe enough that they can start producing necessary proteins again.
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    But what if it changes the structure of the normal protein as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Great article (the actual Nature article that the BBC article links to that is). I am going to use it as a reference to what other research is going on in an upcoming article of my own, so +rep for giving me a heads up to something useful. It was quite interesting that the survival of the mice could be extended, even for the 1-2 weeks that was reported. Also the fact that the eIF2a factor was shown to be phosphorylated in individuals with both Creutzfeld-Jacob, Alzheimer and Parkinsons was quite an eyeopener.
    What I was really missing from the article was if the prion fibrillation process carried on or was even increased as the protein translation was switched back on (by dephosphorylyzing the eIF2a-P factor). The purpose of this cellular effect is to prevent a virus from replicating itself using the cell as a "factory" for the virus proteins. This effect may also prevent misfolded proteins from achieving further aggregation by stopping the production of the monomers needed for this polymerization process. Turning the infected cells back "on" could just help spreading the misfolding "templates" to other cells rather than containing it. Measurements of prions and PrP (the "ordinary" peptide that in CJD becomes prions) by Western Blot or similar methods could have shed some light on this.
    It should also be noted that the mice did not develop symptoms until the week the treatment actually was initiated and that diagnostics of Scrapie are generally done on behavioral symtoms.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Prion, as some of you know, is a title for unnatural proteins, which like cancer cells, would multiply in brain (both human and animal) uncontrollable and kill the brain cells, cause bubble-like situation in brain. Mostly prion-disease kill patients quickly since currently there is no medicine to "destroy" proteins nor effective way to sterile proteins, and worse still, it can transfer through uncleaned food (as the case of Mad Cow disease). There are some theory about how prions happen, generally points to genetic defect, and there are cases suggest cannibalism increase the risk contacting prions too. Overall, it is a great news a disease that generally consider as incurable now has drug to counter it.
    The comparison with cancer is not really valid, as cancer are whole cells while prions are protein aggregates. The incubation time for CJD is rather long as the remaining neurons will just cover for the lost ones (like when you fire a few people from a large company). Prions spred more efficiently in the case of cannibalism as the PrP peptides have some differences between species, but some cases of interspecies spreadings were still seen.
    The wiki-page on prions is ok, the first paragraphs are a bit confusing, but if you jump to the "structure" paragraph there is a pretty good explanation of the normal intracellular prion protein (PrPC ) and its misfolded counterpart (PrPSc )
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion

    Quote Originally Posted by USCENTCOM View Post
    Can't you temporarily protect against prions by changing internal pH? This should alter the shape of the proteins and most likely render them useless. Of course, this is just temporary.
    Both the interior of cells and the extracellular fluids in the body has a certain pH value for a reason and brain cells in particular are highly vulnerable to changes in their environment. Any pH change high enough to affect the PrPSc proteins would most likely cause more neuronal death than the CJD itself.
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    Yes, the pH is very important to cell processes, but there has to be a small amount of change the body can take before problems arise, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCENTCOM View Post
    Yes, the pH is very important to cell processes, but there has to be a small amount of change the body can take before problems arise, right?
    The changes that can be tolerated by the body are not even close to what it would take to affect those highly resistent prions. Furthermore to change pH values in blood for instance you will have to somehow overcome the pH-buffering effect of several components found herein.

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    OK I'm really confused as to the relation between prions and Alzeheimers. Am I just being dumb here? Prions are infectious encephalopathic agents whilst Alzheimers create unstable proteins from genetic reasons or in the case of something like chronic traumatic encephalopathy from proximal causes.

    Maybe I'm just boxing a bit to clever and reading outside of my comfort zone

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    The relation is the way the cell will react to the prescence of large amounts of "wrong" proteins by shutting down the protein translation process regardless whether the polymeric forms of these are based on Prion peptides (C-J), Aβ ( Alzheimers) or α-synuclein (Parkinsons Disease) . In the case of prions these will "seed" the polymerisation of more prions (PrP-Sc) from the ordinary monomeric prion peptides (PrP-C) that are found in great abundance in an ordinary cell and in particular in neurons (brain cells). The aggregates formed this way will then break up, exit the cell, and "infect" the neighbouring cells. It has been shown that this effect also takes place for the Aβ and α-synuclein amyloid species meaning that Alzheimers and Parkinsons does not have to origin from more than one cell in the organism but will spread as more and more neurons will produce more and more misfolded protein.
    The article linked to in the OP is based on an assumption that it is the protein translation shutdown that is causing the mass neuronal death, but it may as well be that the deaths of a few infected neurons protects the remainer of the brain from receiving prions produced by infected cells with intact (or reactivated) protein translation. The article bases its results on experiments in mice, but humans live longer and a drug based on this pharmaceutical target may as well have the opposite effect than what is seen in the mouse model.
    Many other assumptions exist on what exactly in these diseases is causing the neuronal death in those ailments, and the possible causes for this are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The causes and effects in these ailments can be highly multifactorial.
    I am in the middle of writing an article on some of this stuff, and I might be in a “research bubble” at the moment. Please tell me if some of this is unclear, since I need to be able to communicate on these subjects in an understandable way.

    Edit: Sorry for the font, at least all the text is the same size now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    OK I'm really confused as to the relation between prions and Alzeheimers. Am I just being dumb here? Prions are infectious encephalopathic agents whilst Alzheimers create unstable proteins from genetic reasons or in the case of something like chronic traumatic encephalopathy from proximal causes.

    Maybe I'm just boxing a bit to clever and reading outside of my comfort zone
    Prions are the name of abnormal proteins that can increases without control; it can cause by your own genetic defect (which results diseases such as Alzheimers) or outside source (like Madcow disease).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Prions are the name of abnormal proteins that can increases without control; it can cause by your own genetic defect (which results diseases such as Alzheimers) or outside source (like Madcow disease).
    The cell-to-cell infecting agents in Alzheimers, the A-beta and Tau protein aggregates, are not considered to be prions. There are similarities in how these amyloid proteins initiate, progress, spread and cause cell death however, and as the OP article stresses: There are similarities in how these processes can be interrupted in the case of many different clinical conditions.
    Here is a snip from the Alzheimers wiki-page:
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    In 1991, the amyloid hypothesis postulated that amyloid beta (Aβ) deposits are the fundamental cause of the disease.[37][38] Support for this postulate comes from the location of the gene for the amyloid beta precursor protein (APP) on chromosome 21, together with the fact that people with trisomy 21 (Down Syndrome) who have an extra gene copy almost universally exhibit AD by 40 years of age.[39][40] Also APOE4, the major genetic risk factor for AD, leads to excess amyloid buildup in the brain.[41] Further evidence comes from the finding that transgenic mice that express a mutant form of the human APP gene develop fibrillar amyloid plaques and Alzheimer's-like brain pathology with spatial learning deficits.[42]
    An experimental vaccine was found to clear the amyloid plaques in early human trials, but it did not have any significant effect on dementia.[43] Researchers have been led to suspect non-plaque Aβ oligomers (aggregates of many monomers) as the primary pathogenic form of Aβ. These toxic oligomers, also referred to as amyloid-derived diffusible ligands (ADDLs), bind to a surface receptor on neurons and change the structure of the synapse, thereby disrupting neuronal communication.[44] One receptor for Aβ oligomers may be the prion protein, the same protein that has been linked to mad cow disease and the related human condition, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, thus potentially linking the underlying mechanism of these neurodegenerative disorders with that of Alzheimer's disease.[45]
    In 2009, this theory was updated, suggesting that a close relative of the beta-amyloid protein, and not necessarily the beta-amyloid itself, may be a major culprit in the disease. The theory holds that an amyloid-related mechanism that prunes neuronal connections in the brain in the fast-growth phase of early life may be triggered by ageing-related processes in later life to cause the neuronal withering of Alzheimer's disease.[46] N-APP, a fragment of APP from the peptide's N-terminus, is adjacent to beta-amyloid and is cleaved from APP by one of the same enzymes. N-APP triggers the self-destruct pathway by binding to a neuronal receptor called death receptor 6 (DR6, also known as TNFRSF21).[46] DR6 is highly expressed in the human brain regions most affected by Alzheimer's, so it is possible that the N-APP/DR6 pathway might be hijacked in the ageing brain to cause damage. In this model, beta-amyloid plays a complementary role, by depressing synaptic function.
    A 2004 study found that deposition of amyloid plaques does not correlate well with neuron loss.[47] This observation supports the tau hypothesis, the idea that tau protein abnormalities initiate the disease cascade.[38] In this model, hyperphosphorylated tau begins to pair with other threads of tau. Eventually, they form neurofibrillary tangles inside nerve cell bodies.[48] When this occurs, the microtubules disintegrate, collapsing the neuron's transport system.[49] This may result first in malfunctions in biochemical communication between neurons and later in the death of the cells.[50]

    Edit: Source for the above.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzheimer%27s_disease
    Last edited by Logios; May 30, 2012 at 09:28 PM.

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    plaque scares me it seems to be causing trouble in all parts of our body.

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    Those bolt guns they use on cattle is an alternative.

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    Hey Logios totally random left field question. Bee Sting therapy for MS, total balls right? I have a feeling its one of those alternative therapies but there so far seems to be only one very very small trial done which can't really tell us anything but there is also zero science I'm aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Hey Logios totally random left field question. Bee Sting therapy for MS, total balls right? I have a feeling its one of those alternative therapies but there so far seems to be only one very very small trial done which can't really tell us anything but there is also zero science I'm aware of.
    I have never heard of it, and just on top of my head I would say yes, total balls. But then again who knows. New ideas for new pharmaceuticals come from the strangest sources. A drug currently being developed against blood clots is based on a component found in vampire bat saliva.
    What I know works with multiple sclerosis is a monoclonal antibody that is targeted at receptors on the specific type of white blood cells that "rebel" and attack the myelin sheats ("insulation") of the nerve strands. Unfortunately this receptor is also used to keep a certain, normally harmless, kind of virus in check that many are host to.
    It is popular to allieviate ms symptoms with, er, the "green smoky" alternative, but combined with current medicines this can lead to dangerous drug-drug interactions.

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    I've heard of it quite some years ago, my guess is it's not working very well.

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