Germany WWII reparations to Greece

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

With the over-increasing pressure on Greece, Germany being the most fanatical of the austerity supporters for the Greek debts to be settled, an important matter remains unsolved :

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...769703,00.html



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ek-debt-crisis

http://digitaljournal.com/article/319064

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...3990-2,00.html

http://digitaljournal.com/article/322253

http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/8/52969

What are your opinions about this matter?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Oh God this again. This is a ghastly, petty move for the Greek Government. The German Government has already paid reparations, and because of this Germany has refused this particular individual case and Greece has historically refused to support the claimants... until the debt crisis. It's staggeringly ungrateful of the Greek Government.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Oh God this again. This is a ghastly, petty move for the Greek Government. The German Government has already paid reparations, and because of this Germany has refused this particular individual case and Greece has historically refused to support the claimants... until the debt crisis. It's staggeringly ungrateful of the Greek Government.

Greece signed to let go of the debt for the sake of Germany's stability. It seems to me rather ungrateful the way they act today.

Besides when you find yourself with the back against the wall, when the one pushing you there has this particular past, makes you draw every available weapon in your arsenal to fight back.

[Their Law]

Greece signed to let go of the debt for the sake of Germany's stability. It seems to me rather ungrateful the way they act today.

Yes Greece signed away the debt in a binding agreement, and yet you still received $216 BILLION from Germany in the coming decades. And now you're proposing tearing up that agreement because Greece messed up it's economy, whilst Germany has the gall to actually have a functioning one?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Greece signed to let go of the debt for the sake of Germany's stability. It seems to me rather ungrateful the way they act today.

Besides when you find yourself with the back against the wall, when the one pushing you there has this particular past, makes you draw every available weapon in your arsenal to fight back.

Really? Germany funds your entire people - how the Hell do you consider that "ungrateful"?

[s.rwitt]

Greece signed to let go of the debt for the sake of Germany's stability. It seems to me rather ungrateful the way they act today.

Besides when you find yourself with the back against the wall, when the one pushing you there has this particular past, makes you draw every available weapon in your arsenal to fight back.

Indeed. It was typically savage of the huns not to bail you out with the money they earned when you needed it most due to your own corruptio-

What's that? They did what? Oh, dear...

[s.rwitt]

My opinion is that it's ing ridiculous.

[Their Law]

Oh God this again. This is a ghastly, petty move for the Greek Government. The German Government has already paid reparations, and because of this Germany has refused this particular individual case and Greece has historically refused to support the claimants... until the debt crisis. It's staggeringly ungrateful of the Greek Government.

And a rather desperate one.

[Psychonaut]

Yeah, Germany has paid more than enough for WWII. The Greek government if being ridiculous.

[hellheaven1987]

Greece needs to start acting like a man, seriously.

[bushbush]

There is no basis for Greece to ask for the money. I can even refer you to a couple international arbitration lawyers, but the answer will be the same.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Yes Greece signed away the debt in a binding agreement, and yet you still received $216 BILLION from Germany in the coming decades. And now you're proposing tearing up that agreement because Greece messed up it's economy, whilst Germany has the gall to actually have a functioning one?

I'm not considering anything, I'm not in the government.

I'm debating on the subject that I find it extremely ungrateful for a nation that was bailed out so many times and saved from certain total economical eclipse by other nations, being so strict with a nation that for pretty much the same reasons needs aid now.

Germany : Bad people get in charge of the country - stupid people support them by being brainwashed - Germany is destroyed by the allies - Germany is getting enormous aid to get back on track.

Greece : Bad people get in charge of the country - stupid people support them by being brainwashed - Greece is destroyed by it self - Greek people are being told you can be grateful for the money we give you, but you have to starve, lose your jobs, pay more taxes, buy products in higher prices, or else.

[Their Law]

I'm not considering anything, I'm not in the government.

I'm debating on the subject that I find it extremely ungrateful for a nation that was bailed out so many times and saved from certain total economical eclipse by other nations, being so strict with a nation that for pretty much the same reasons needs aid now.

Germany : Bad people get in charge of the country - stupid people support them by being brainwashed - Germany is destroyed by the allies - Germany is getting enormous aid to get back on track.

Greece : Bad people get in charge of the country - stupid people support them by being brainwashed - Greece is destroyed by it self - Greek people are being told you can be grateful for the money we give you, but you have to starve, lose your jobs, pay more taxes, buy products in higher prices, or else.

What do you think happened to Germany post WWII? That it was sunshine and roses. There was industrial stagnation and parts of it were dismantled and shipped off to the USA, UK or France, Eastern Germany was in the short term completely decimated economically as the soviets stripped everything from the region.

Decline in living conditions, WIDESPREAD STARVATION and food riots. And it was banned from trading resources for food by the allies. It had to deal with upwards of 10 million refugees from Eastern Europe and lost 25% of it's territory.

So to make a fair comparison it would be like Greece paying EVERY country in Europe that has been affected by it's mismanagement of it's economy. It's industry shipped out to Germany, France, and the UK. Lose Western Thrace and the eastern part of the Aegean to Turkey, have any and all Greek citizens in Europe not living in Greece expelled form their country and shipped back to Greece without any support, Greece the country completely dissolved and administered by four other nations. It's military disbanded and it's equipment pawned off to other countries (the profits of which would go the occupying nations). Oh and any and all major Greek companies are to be disbanded and reorganized as the occupying nations see fit.

And Greece is to remain divided in two for 50 years.

Only then could you begin to compare what was 'ungrateful'. Germany went through hell (rightly so given what it had done ) post WWII. What has happened in Greece does not even begin to compare.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

What do you think happened to Germany post WWII? That it was sunshine and roses. There was industrial stagnation and parts of it were dismantled and shipped off to the USA, UK or France, Eastern Germany was in the short term completely decimated economically as the soviets stripped everything from the region.

Decline in living conditions, WIDESPREAD STARVATION and food riots. And it was banned from trading resources for food by the allies. It had to deal with upwards of 10 million refugees from Eastern Europe and lost 25% of it's territory.

So to make a fair comparison it would be like Greece paying EVERY country in Europe that has been affected by it's mismanagement of it's economy. It's industry shipped out to Germany, France, and the UK. Lose Western Thrace and the eastern part of the Aegean to Turkey, have any and all Greek citizens in Europe not living in Greece expelled form their country and shipped back to Greece without any support, Greece the country completely dissolved and administered by four other nations. It's military disbanded and it's equipment pawned off to other countries (the profits of which would go the occupying nations). Oh and any and all major Greek companies are to be disbanded and reorganized as the occupying nations see fit.

And Greece is to remain divided in two for 50 years.

Only then could you begin to compare what was 'ungrateful'. Germany went through hell (rightly so given what it had done ) post WWII. What has happened in Greece does not even begin to compare.

Well seeing that privatization of state property at very low prices,the start of rearming the Albanian UCK, and the recent threats by Erdogan that if the Albanian rights are not satisfied, he will demolish western Balkan peninshula to aid his Albanian Brothers claim their lost territory back ( Including parts of northern Greece ), the fact that there are many public threats by Turkey that if Greece "dares"(?) to drill for oil in it's own waters, The fact that already the country was pretty much run by foreign officials, our recent government did absolutely nothing on their own accord, it was all dictated to them. And the army and equipment, well Greece did not threaten anyone with war so taking the equipment is not neccessary, besides Germany makes quite a nice profit by selling equipment to Greece, among other Countries.

So as you see pretty much that is already happening in a certain extent!

[Their Law]

Well seeing that privatization of state property at very low prices,the start of rearming the Albanian UCK, and the recent threats by Erdogan that if the Albanian rights are not satisfied, he will demolish western Balkan peninshula to aid his Albanian Brothers claim their lost territory back ( Including parts of northern Greece ), the fact that there are many public threats by Turkey that if Greece "dares"(?) to drill for oil in it's own waters, The fact that already the country was pretty much run by foreign officials, our recent government did absolutely nothing on their own accord, it was all dictated to them. And the army and equipment, well Greece did not threaten anyone with war so taking the equipment is not neccessary, besides Germany makes quite a nice profit by selling equipment to Greece, among other Countries.

So as you see pretty much that is already happening in a certain extent!

No it really isn't. I suggest some basic reading on the Postdam Agreement, Demilitarization of Germany, German reperations and the expulsion of German's post WWII is needed.

Personally I find it disgusting that people are using the suffering of Greeks of WWII as political capital to try and dodge responsibility for a largely self inflicted issue.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

No it really isn't. I suggest some basic reading on the Postdam Agreement, Demilitarization of Germany, German reperations and the expulsion of German's post WWII is needed.

Personally I find it disgusting that people are using the suffering of Greeks of WWII as political capital.

I find it disgusting that people are using capital crisis to destroy human lives for it's sake ; )

[Tiberios]

This is just pathetic. Extremely pathetic.

[Stavroforos]

Oh, this issue again, which Greek media and politicians resurrect every time they need to focus on something other than their failures.

[removeduser_487563287433]

And that's the point. The Germans have surrendered a horrifically large sum of money for the greater good - to keep Greeks from having to eat their children and to keep Europe from facing a depression. Greeks should be unendingly grateful - and what do they do? This. No wonder German public opinion increasingly wants to see Greece go hang itself.

[Stavroforos]

And that's the point. The Germans have surrendered a horrifically large sum of money for the greater good - to keep Greeks from having to eat their children and to keep Europe from facing a depression. Greeks should be unendingly grateful - and what do they do? This. No wonder German public opinion increasingly wants to see Greece go hang itself.

Aw, poor Germans, they made an obviously bad investment and now they can't handle it.