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    DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan - Taliban fighters killed 14 Pakistani soldiers in a key militant sanctuary along the Afghan border, beheaded all but one of them and hung two of the heads from wooden poles in the centre of town, officials said Monday.

    The killings in Miran Shah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal area, highlight the dilemma facing the military in dealing with an area used by both the country's fiercest enemy, the Pakistani Taliban, and Afghan and Pakistani militants believed to be close to the government who are battling U.S.-led forces in neighbouring Afghanistan.

    The U.S. has repeatedly demanded that Pakistan launch an offensive in North Waziristan, especially against the so-called Haqqani network. Pakistan has promised to do so in the future, but claims its forces are stretched too thin right now fighting the Pakistani Taliban in other parts of the tribal region.

    "Something has to be done, and it's in the offing," Lt. Gen. Khalid Rabbani, the army's top commander in the northwest, told The Associated Press in an interview Monday. "North Waziristan is the only place left" that hasn't been the target of an operation, he said.

    Many analysts believe Pakistan is reluctant to target militants in North Waziristan with whom it has strong historical ties and could be useful allies in Afghanistan after foreign forces withdraw. But those militants are also allies with the Pakistani Taliban, complicating matters even further.

    On Sunday, the Taliban ambushed a security checkpoint in Miran Shah, killing nine Pakistani soldiers, the army said. Militants had been firing on the checkpoint for the past few days before they ambushed it, the army added.

    When authorities finally retrieved the bodies of the dead soldiers, they found that they had been beheaded, said intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.

    The army retaliated Sunday with helicopter gunships that pounded suspected militant hideouts and also hit three houses and a mosque in the town, said intelligence officials. Three civilians were killed and 20 were wounded in the helicopter attacks, they said. It's unclear how many militants were killed.

    The military also raided a house in Miran Shah on Sunday night, killing a militant commander and several of his colleagues, said intelligence officials. But the remaining militants escaped with five soldiers captured during the raid.

    They beheaded four of them and hung two of their heads from poles in Miran Shah on Monday. The bodies of the others were dumped in Miran Shah bazaar, the officials said.

    "This will not shy us off establishing the writ of the government in all the areas, including North Waziristan," said Rabbani, who commands 150,000 troops in the northwest along the Afghan border.

    The army unleashed its helicopter gunships again Monday, attacking a weapons market in Miran Shah where the militants who attacked the security checkpoint were believed to be hiding, said intelligence officials. The attack killed some 30 militants and destroyed dozens of shops that sold assault rifles, ammunition and rocket propelled grenades, the officials said.

    Since the fighting started Sunday, 20 Pakistani troops have been injured, said the officials.

    The attack on the weapons market occurred after the army had declared a curfew, so there did not appear to be any civilian casualties within the bazaar, said Haji Zafran, one of the shop owners. But a dozen people were wounded when a mosque near the market was hit, he said.

    The market burned for hours after the attack, and the area reverberated with loud bangs as the flames set off the ammunition and grenades in the shops, said Zafran.

    The owner of the market, Haji Noor Deen, protested the army's attack and claimed he and the other arms dealers suffered a loss of millions of dollars.

    "Our place was targeted for no reason, as nobody fired a shot from there at the army," said Deen. "The dealers just sell arms to tribesmen."

    The army lifted the curfew so that tribal elders and militants could hold a meeting to try to resolve the conflict, said intelligence officials. The jirga included members of the Haqqani network, an Afghan group, and also Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a powerful Pakistani militant commander believed to be close to Pakistan, they said.

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    Pretty brutal stuff, I'm not very familiar with what's going on in Afghanistan and Pakistan but it just seems like the fight against the Taliban is not all that easy. Goes without saying, condolences to the dead soldiers' families and to hell with the Taliban's barbarity.

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    And Pakistanis think ISAF leaving Afghanistan will be a good thing for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post

    http://www.globalnews.ca/taliban+kil...484/story.html

    Pretty brutal stuff, I'm not very familiar with what's going on in Afghanistan and Pakistan but it just seems like the fight against the Taliban is not all that easy. Goes without saying, condolences to the dead soldiers' families and to hell with the Taliban's barbarity.
    I believe that for once at any cost Pakistan should stop America from drone strikes. Those strikes are working in favor of Taliban as much innocents are killed in one strike than supposed Al-qaeda or Taliban people. Those who have sympathies with Taliban in Pakistan present these strikes as a valid cause for Taliban fight. For a small period of 1-3 months we should stop these strikes and see what they do. If they do not cease their barbarity even after that, we should send army to North Waziristan as much soldiers as would be necessary to hit those bastards hard. Once and for all. Condolences for our martyrs.

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    And Pakistanis think ISAF leaving Afghanistan will be a good thing for them
    Pakistanis think that both America and Taliban are a curse for this region. Problem is that Taliban are sons of soil, they are not creating terror thousands of miles far from their homeland. Why don't you make peace with them, let them take part in political activities and take guarantee of no terrorist harboring and then leave the region. Instead your president has made a treaty with Karzai which allows American strong holds in Afghanistan even after 2014. This is what I told you and this is what you denied. Your state has some agendas in this region and you are not gonna leave unless you are forced to do so. Hence this fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Pakistanis think that both America and Taliban are a curse for this region. Problem is that Taliban are sons of soil, they are not creating terror thousands of miles far from their homeland.
    You have been told this a thousand times already. I'll bold it for you this time. Most of the Taliban are not from Afghanistan.


    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Why don't you make peace with them, let them take part in political activities and take guarantee of no terrorist harboring and then leave the region.
    The US has been releasing prisoners in hope of achieving peace. Its not working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    You have been told this a thousand times already. I'll bold it for you this time. Most of the Taliban are not from Afghanistan.
    Do you have an actual source for that claim? I think it's unlikely, probably in the east, but the south, west or north of Afghanistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    Do you have an actual source for that claim? I think it's unlikely, probably in the east, but the south, west or north of Afghanistan?
    I can't find the source right now, but here is an old story on the number of foreign fighters joining the Taliban.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...-66526307.html

    The bulk of these foreign fighters are from Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    Do you have an actual source for that claim?
    some journals and reports which provide sources for Azoth's claim

    Cole, Juan, “Pakistan and Afghanistan: Beyond the Taliban”, Political Science Quarterly, (Summer 2009),Volume 124, No. 2, 221-249

    Roashan, G. Rauf,”Via Afghanistan: Regional Influences”,Middle East Viewpoint Special Report: Afghanistan,1979-2009:In The Grip Of Conflict, 61-63

    Waldman, Matt, “The Sun In The Sky: The Relationship Between Pakistan’s ISI And Afghan Insurgents”,Crisis States Discussion Paper 18 (June 2010)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Why don't you make peace with them, let them take part in political activities and take guarantee of no terrorist harboring and then leave the region.
    That is actually the game plan, hence the release of so many in the last year. Smartest move in 10 years.
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    I'm not surprised. Not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Pakistanis think that both America and Taliban are a curse for this region. Problem is that Taliban are sons of soil, they are not creating terror thousands of miles far from their homeland.
    They are however, creating a lot of terror in Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    I believe that for once at any cost Pakistan should stop America from drone strikes. Those strikes are working in favor of Taliban as much innocents are killed in one strike than supposed Al-qaeda or Taliban people.
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    Sigh, if only there was a more effective way of dealing with them in place. I fear with the ISAF pulling out this will just become more common.
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    This is what I told you and this is what you denied. Your state has some agendas in this region and you are not gonna leave unless you are forced to do so. Hence this fight.
    Wrong. Check that thread out again and pay attention to the part where I asked you to define the terms "military drawdown" and "military support".
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    Do you have an actual source for that claim? I think it's unlikely, probably in the east, but the south, west or north of Afghanistan?
    In Sangin we were intercepting convoys of Pakistani madrassa students being driven in to protect the Taliban's poppy collection/distribution hub(Sangin itself) by covering it in IED's.

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    Good, the Taliban and Pakistani military kill each other off and the world will be a safer place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eikki View Post
    Good, the Taliban and Pakistani military kill each other off and the world will be a safer place.
    What the hell is wrong with you? Why would you want Pakistani soldiers to die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    What the hell is wrong with you? Why would you want Pakistani soldiers to die?
    The pakistani military has been harbouring and supporting terrorists against foreign troops and India for years. Bout time they got whats coming to them. Something about sleeping in the bed they made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eikki View Post
    The pakistani military has been harbouring and supporting terrorists against foreign troops and India for years. Bout time they got whats coming to them. Something about sleeping in the bed they made.
    Are you SERIOUSLY saying that the ground level grunts being murdered and decapitated by a terrorist orginization is okay... Because the higer ups harbored certain terror cells during the long standing cold war between india and pakistan?

    Do you have ANY idea how insane and heartless that sounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenprince View Post
    Are you SERIOUSLY saying that the ground level grunts being murdered and decapitated by a terrorist orginization is okay... Because the higer ups harbored certain terror cells during the long standing cold war between india and pakistan?

    Do you have ANY idea how insane and heartless that sounds?
    Tell that to the ground level grunts and civilians killed on the other side because of Pakistan's support of terrorist cells. Justice is a bitter pill to swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eikki View Post
    The pakistani military has been harbouring and supporting terrorists against foreign troops and India for years. Bout time they got whats coming to them. Something about sleeping in the bed they made.

    And the Indian military has funded Balochi terrorists as well, you don't see any of us wishing harm upon Indian soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selder View Post
    That is actually the game plan, hence the release of so many in the last year. Smartest move in 10 years.
    Excuse me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    some journals and reports which provide sources for Azoth's claim

    Cole, Juan, “Pakistan and Afghanistan: Beyond the Taliban”, Political Science Quarterly, (Summer 2009),Volume 124, No. 2, 221-249

    Roashan, G. Rauf,”Via Afghanistan: Regional Influences”,Middle East Viewpoint Special Report: Afghanistan,1979-2009:In The Grip Of Conflict, 61-63

    Waldman, Matt, “The Sun In The Sky: The Relationship Between Pakistan’s ISI And Afghan Insurgents”,Crisis States Discussion Paper 18 (June 2010)
    So now majority of Afghan Taliban are in fact Pakistani taliban.

    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Wrong. Check that thread out again and pay attention to the part where I asked you to define the terms "military drawdown" and "military support".
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    In Sangin we were intercepting convoys of Pakistani madrassa students being driven in to protect the Taliban's poppy collection/distribution hub(Sangin itself) by covering it in IED's.
    Which means majority of Afghan Taliban is Pakistani national?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eikki View Post
    The pakistani military has been harbouring and supporting terrorists against foreign troops and India for years. Bout time they got whats coming to them. Something about sleeping in the bed they made.
    India, your beloved secular, shining India is pioneer of cross-border terrorism and terrorist/separatist harboring in our region. As far as terrorism is concerned, no one is bigger terrorist than G.W. Bush, would you support me in my human demand to sling him up?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthLazy View Post
    Guess I will be off to decapitate and hang Indian troops because of the Mukti Bahini now .
    And for those bomb blasts in 80's and for Baloch separatists' support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post

    And the Indian military has funded Balochi terrorists as well, you don't see any of us wishing harm upon Indian soldiers.
    They were responsible for Sri Lanka's disaster spread over decades, plus interference (supporting separatists) in Chinese Tibet and Ex-East Pakistan too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eikki View Post
    Good, the Taliban and Pakistani military kill each other off and the world will be a safer place.
    The vast majority of Pakistani soldiers are just ordinary people with families and friends who in all likelihood just want to protect their country. They have no part in the greater political intrigues of the top level command. It is not a good thing that these men died.
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