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    Ever since Hugo Chavez discovered he had severe prostate cancer there has been rumors that the Venezuelan leader has only a couple of years left to live. According to Wikileaks emails from Stratfor, the cancer has spread to his spine and has become impossible to cure. A former personal doctor of Chavez revealed that Chavez has only two years to live, though this has been denied by the Venezuelan government who insist he will survive beyond the up coming elections.

    The situation in Venezuela is chaotic to put it mildly. The country is arguably in worse shape than during the periods of military rule and dictatorships in the mid 1900s. The economy is in ruins and all industries except the oil industries have collapsed. Shocking as it may seem, the country is even more dependent on the oil revenues to fund public projects and subsidies in food, water, petrol and other necessities.

    Hugo Chavez is well aware that his end may be nigh and has therefore created a transitional council called the "Council of State" that relinquishes many of his duties and ensures a smooth transition if he were ever to pass away from his disease or worse. Naturally the government is unwilling to raise rumors and has denied it is anything but to “improve government efficiency". His health has deteriorated to such an extent that he may not even be able to participate in the elections on October 7. Without Chavez, a opposition victory will be guaranteed and a change of power will ensue. Chavez is the only candidate that still holds more than 50% approval rating supported mainly by the poor after the majority of the upper and middle classes fled the country. Chavez has created a totalitarian regime where all the media has been gradually come under his control and there is no opposition except one television channel that is now only available in cable and even then have to remain cautious in how they criticize the government.

    Furthermore, if Chavez does not participate in the elections a coup d'etat is a virtual guarantee by the military who will rather take control of the state by force than relinquish it democratically to the surviving opposition. The problem for Chavez is that ever since his health has deteriorated his authority in government has diminished considerably and has now ceased to be the ruler of the country and has become a mere figure head and puppet controlled by the military. Some that were loyal to Chavez are now questioning their allegiance and thus Chavez is now fearful for his life and power. To reduce the chances of a military coup he has established a "Anti-Coup Command" on 13 April 2012 but even this may prove futile.

    As the Financial Times reports:
    Nelson Bocaranda, a prominent opposition journalist, wrote in his Thursday column that the council was designed to prevent a “traumatic” end to Mr Chávez’s rule. “The president knows that he cannot leave the country in the hands of questioned officials who have attracted the world’s attention to recent cases of drug trafficking, corruption and the violation of human rights,” wrote Mr Bocaranda, adding that it was a “virtual certainty” that Mr Chávez would not stand for re-election in October.
    Although Chavez has been regarded as one of the worst rulers in Venezuela's history, a take over by the military would make things much worse. Chavez himself is not even seen in public anymore and spends basically spends most of his time in Cuba.

    All of this is exacerbated by the recent assassinations of two of Chavez most loyal military generals, the most important of which is Wilmer Moreno. The assassination of Wilmer Moreno on April 19, is suspected to be linked to drug trafficking conflicts though this is simply speculation. It is possible that the military has become divided and one group is targeting loyal supporters of Chavez in order to facilitate a coup d'etat. The involvement of high ranking military generals in the drug trafficking business became public when Eladio Aponte, a former general himself fled to Costa Rica and asked for asylum in the U.S. embassy and told the media the truth behind the scenes (although he did not admit he was also part of that business). Supposedly, Chavez is not involved which demonstrates how out of hand the military has become.

    Wilmer Moreno is thought to have used his influence to by pass security checks of numerous military trucks that were carrying drugs from Colombian guerrilla groups such as FARC. The drugs would end up in the Venezuelan ports and would then make their way to European countries. He was suppsidly killed by members of the opposing cartel that fight for control of the supply routes in the Colombian-Venezuelan borders.


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...555212742.html
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5bce0f6c-9...44feab49a.html
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/03/1...mails-say.html
    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/ripti..._in_less_t.php
    Note: Much of the information comes from Venezuelan newspapers.
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    A coup against Chavez is a victory against cancer ... literally.

    I find interesting that you say that a ''take over by the military would make things much worse'' without clarifying that a good portion of the military is either in the tank for chavez or were installed by Chavez. So a coup is nothing more than Chavez loyalist A take power from Chavez loyalist B, so this boogeyman of the military regimes of the 1960's is laughable.

    Chavez have been forming militias under his orders, so don't discount a coup from them too, a civil War or the FARC moving in. I hereby congratulate President Lula from Brazil for having made this mess possible in the first place.

    ETA:

    The only guys without guns in this situation are the opposition ... gotta be fun to sitting ducks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    A coup against Chavez is a victory against cancer ... literally.

    I find interesting that you say that a ''take over by the military would make things much worse'' without clarifying that a good portion of the military is either in the tank for chavez or were installed by Chavez. So a coup is nothing more than Chavez loyalist A take power from Chavez loyalist B, so this boogeyman of the military regimes of the 1960's is laughable.

    Chavez have been forming militias under his orders, so don't discount a coup from them too, a civil War or the FARC moving in. I hereby congratulate President Lula from Brazil for having made this mess possible in the first place.

    ETA:

    The only guys without guns in this situation are the opposition ... gotta be fun to sitting ducks.
    Why are you blaming Brazil's president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simum View Post
    Why are you blaming Brazil's president?
    Because He and the Organization He presided for 10 years and where He met Chavez for the first time, where instrumental to consolidate Chavez in power in the first place.

    He even bragged about it in a speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Because He and the Organization He presided for 10 years and where He met Chavez for the first time, where instrumental to consolidate Chavez in power in the first place.

    He even bragged about it in a speech.
    Your link refers to the coup attempt to remove Chaves and the pursuit of a peaceful solution by a group of countries. Also it is 2005.

    I am not saying it was the best solution in the end (What would be the 'other' solution? Civil war? Intervention? which Brazil simply don't do or participate period) but I do not view Brazil as responsible for their problems, the end result would be largely the same or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Because He and the Organization He presided for 10 years and where He met Chavez for the first time, where instrumental to consolidate Chavez in power in the first place.

    He even bragged about it in a speech.
    You mean as in "made it less easy for the military to take over from democratically elected governments"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    You mean as in "made it less easy for the military to take over from democratically elected governments"?
    If Hugo Chavez policies stopped there, I would be like the poor bastard. Did you know that He kept an opposition leader with cancer in prison, under false charges, for up to a year without medical treatment among many of his all Democratic policies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simum View Post
    Your link refers to the coup attempt to remove Chaves and the pursuit of a peaceful solution by a group of countries. Also it is 2005.

    I am not saying it was the best solution in the end (What would be the 'other' solution? Civil war? Intervention? which Brazil simply don't do or participate period) but I do not view Brazil as responsible for their problems, the end result would be largely the same or worse.
    Lula knew what Chavez was all about.
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    Not a surprise, even if it weren't true, since power, and by extension loyalty, resides in the belief that the one who's handing out patronage will be around for the foreseeable future.
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    Lets hope the Anti-Coup Command does its job, Venezuela shouldn't end up run by a military junta.

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    Prostate cancer that's metastasized to his spine, and he has a whole 2 years? Unlikely.
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    Lets hope the Anti-Coup Command does its job, Venezuela shouldn't end up run by a military junta.
    Indeed, any military commander who tries to overthrow the Venezuelan government is a traitor to the nation.

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    Disturbed by the Caracazo, rampant government corruption, the domination of politics by the Venezuelan oligarchy through the Punto Fijo Pact, and what he called "the dictatorship of the IMF", Chávez began preparing for a military coup d'état,[62][65] known as Operation Zamora.[66] Initially planned for December, Chávez delayed the MBR-200 coup until the early twilight hours of 4 February 1992. On that date, five army units under Chávez's command moved into urban Caracas with the mission of overwhelming key military and communications installations, including the Miraflores presidential palace, the defense ministry, La Carlota military airport and the Military Museum. Chávez's immediate goal was to intercept and take custody of Pérez, who was returning to Miraflores from an overseas trip. Despite years of planning, the coup quickly encountered trouble. At the time of the coup, Chávez had the loyalty of less than 10% of Venezuela's military forces,[67] and, because of numerous betrayals, defections, errors, and other unforeseen circumstances, Chávez and a small group of rebels found themselves hiding in the Military Museum, without any means of conveying orders to their network of spies and collaborators spread throughout Venezuela.[68] Furthermore, Chávez's allies were unable to broadcast their prerecorded tapes on the national airwaves, during which Chávez planned to issue a general call for a mass civilian uprising against the Pérez government. Finally, Chávez's forces were unable to capture Pérez, who managed to escape from them. Fourteen soldiers were killed, and fifty soldiers and some eighty civilians injured during the ensuing violence.[69][70][71]

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    The trouble here is that most military men have sold their souls for a little commodity, summed up that the rest of them simply have no balls... A military junta is simply a no-no, people here wouldn't put up with that and would prefer a "democracy" like the one we had this past 13 years.

    In truth most of my country men have their balls as full as me. Virtually no family on this country has been spared from the insecurity sponsored by this corrupt government. More than 100K compatriots death at the hands of crime.. here more people die everyday than in Irak... that's simply sad.

    People are eagerly waiting for this piece of scum to die and either run for the hill with the bounty or try to take the power, but one truth is hold above all the others, without its head this monster called revolution will die and no one of it's putrid followers can measure up to it's current leader.

    And yes, the 3 million of names, or the crates containing the electoral acts where burned in an act of defiance. Years ago there was a referendum to kick the bastard out of office, they didn't succeed and the government promptly made a list with all the voters. All the people on the list became pariahs in the financial regard. If you wanted a job, a bank credit or anything regarding anything public (most things now are since they have progressively taken illegal possession of most industry and banking) and you where on the list you were screwed. This still apply todays, where many professionals can't find jobs on companies because of that list.

    P.D.: The only elections he won fairly where the first, from that moment on he has bought every election. He even went so far that hear this:
    After "wining" the elections against Rosales, the president of the electoral college immediately became the vice-president of the republic. Yeah, just like you are reading it. The rat bastard sold the elections to Chavez in return of the Vice-presidency, which he took right afterward the elections. It's a public well known fact and so transparent that one has to be a moronic fanatic to don't see it.
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    Don't fret babur. Alex Jones will pick up the flag and carry on the fight against Yanqee earthquake machines. Like Denzel did for Morgan Freeman at the end of Glory at that Carolinian sand fort, there will always be more to carry on the attack.

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    I'm not very informed on Venezuelan domestic politics, but to my knowledge doesn't the army have Western sympathies? In any case, I'm sure Chavez has a contingency plan in case he passes away to secure the socialist path in the country. Let's see what happens in the coming years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    I'm not very informed on Venezuelan domestic politics, but to my knowledge doesn't the army have Western sympathies? In any case, I'm sure Chavez has a contingency plan in case he passes away to secure the socialist path in the country. Let's see what happens in the coming years...
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    its called the Bolivarian Militia.
    Do I smell Civil War?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Do I smell Civil War?
    well Chavez does, as only about 10-20% of his military are Chavistas he knows they are his biggest threat. The militia is led by Cuban advisors and God knows what foreign troops, they will continue the revolution long after he is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selder View Post
    well Chavez does, as only about 10-20% of his military are Chavistas he knows they are his biggest threat. The militia is led by Cuban advisors and God knows what foreign troops, they will continue the revolution long after he is gone.
    Hopefully Venezuelans will be spared such a civil war. And I'm sure the Americans will be working overtime with sympathetic military forces there to ensure a friendly government comes to power. In the end, the choice will be Cuba or US. And for economic reasons, I think choice is rather obvious.
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    I've said it for years, Venezuela is a time bomb, the only thing keeping everything together was Chavez's tirany, once he's gone...

    And good luck to whoever succeds him, the country is an institutional, social and economic mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Facupay View Post
    I've said it for years, Venezuela is a time bomb, the only thing keeping everything together was Chavez's tirany, once he's gone...

    And good luck to whoever succeds him, the country is an institutional, social and economic mess.
    Very true on all counts. The crime rate is just astonishing.

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