Can rights be derived from religion?

[Remco]

How do you feel about the fact that a lot of people derive rights from religion? In the Netherlands for instance you have the right to wear a headscarf, if it serves a religios purpose.

I don't mind people wearing a headscarf but the fact it's a right derived from a religion comes to me as weak. There are religions that alow killing for instance. So it doesn't seem a valid argument to me.

[Sam]

As long as they don't infringe on the rights of others, they are generally tolerated.

[PacSubCom]

The headscarf seems to be a poor example. You may also wear a red shirt n the Netherlands, you have the right to do it.

[Remco]

The headscarf seems to be a poor example. You may also wear a red shirt n the Netherlands, you have the right to do it.

You're right. Let me explain. Your boss (at work) can forbid you to wear a hat or a cap, but they can't forbid you to wear a headscarf. Only because it has to do with religion.

[mongoose]

No. Most of the rights that Christians(for example) enjoy apply to everyone, so there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do those things.

Now, when Christians/Jews/Muslims start mutilating babies, then they're going too far. (I am sure there are other religions that do that, those are just the first 3 that I can think of)

He can forbid you to wear a hat? And they call this freedom?

I don't think it's that much worse than the rest of the dress code.

[Remco]

No. Most of the rights that Christians(for example) enjoy apply to everyone, so there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do those things.

Now, when Christians/Jews/Muslims start mutilating babies, then they're going too far. (I am sure there are other religions that do that, those are just the first 3 that I can think of)



I don't think it's that much worse than the rest of the dress code.

But don't you think it's hypocrite that you can't wear a hat but you can wear a headscarf just because it has to do with religion?

[Turnus]

As long as the religious laws do not break the secular laws, in most cases they would be allowed. If you can't wear a hat or cap, can you still wear a headscarf if you aren't religious? If so, then there isn't that much of a problem (as a hat is different to a headscarf).

[mongoose]

But don't you think it's hypocrite that you can't wear a hat but you can wear a headscarf just because it has to do with religion?

I'll agree, being a member of certain religion shouldn't grant you any special legal rights.

If people realized that being religious in nature doesn't always make something good, thrn we would be a much better off right now, even in alot of 1st world nations.

[PacSubCom]

He can forbid you to wear a hat? And they call this freedom?

[IamthePope]

If the morality of the populace is derived from the religion of the majority, and the laws of a nation are determined by the morality of the populace then the religion of the majority should determine the the laws of a nation. It's simple majoritarianism, or rule by majority rule. If you object, object to democracy. I do.

[Richard the Lionheart]

How do you feel about the fact that a lot of people derive rights from religion? In the Netherlands for instance you have the right to wear a headscarf, if it serves a religios purpose.

I don't mind people wearing a headscarf but the fact it's a right derived from a religion comes to me as weak. There are religions that alow killing for instance. So it doesn't seem a valid argument to me.

Well the U.S. Constitution states that your rights/liberties cannot limit the rights/liberties of others.

You're right. Let me explain. Your boss (at work) can forbid you to wear a hat or a cap, but they can't forbid you to wear a headscarf. Only because it has to do with religion.

Then your boss is to blame because he is infringing on the rights of others. The fault is with the boss.

[mongoose]

I see no reason why being of a religious faith means you should not be able to wear whatever headgear is required or suggested by that faith.

Depends. If the law has no real purpose in the first place, then it should be removed anyway. But assuming that there's a good reason to ban all hats, then it is reasonable to force people to comply with the ban, regardless of their religion.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Depends. If the law has no real purpose in the first place, then it should be removed anyway. But assuming that there's a good reason to ban all hats, then it is reasonable to force people to comply with the ban, regardless of their religion.

I think this whole thing is based on the work place. Generally speaking, people can wear whatever they want in public, but they can't do that in school or in the work place.

Caps and hats are disallowed in some work places because it looks unprofessional and too casual. A head scarf on the other hand can look good and professional.

[Remco]

Imagine wearing a cap is very important to me, it's NOT allowed. Same should go then for headscarfs and crosses then.

[God]

Imagine wearing a cap is very important to me, it's NOT allowed. Same should go then for headscarfs and crosses then.

But if it was very important to you for your religion, then I think they should let you wear it even if it is against the rules.

[Richard the Lionheart]

You loose your neutrality when you express your religion.

Neurality in regards to what?

Because some religions dont agree with things that others do, and it would be unfair to ban certain things because one certain religion wants it, the rules and laws cannot show a bias in favour of a certain religion.

We're not talking about banning things for a specific religion. There is no bias in allowing someone to wear a head-scarf while disallowing others to wear caps because caps and head-scarfs are worn for two entirely different purposes.

Imagine wearing a cap is very important to me, it's NOT allowed. Same should go then for headscarfs and crosses then.

If it's part of your religion to wear a cap then it will be allowed, if not, then stop complaining because you don't need to wear a cap. A head-scarf on the other hand is required to be worn by the religion, so the follower of that religion must wear the head-scarf and since it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, it is allowed.

[Remco]

But why is religion a more important reason then something that makes me feel good?. Religion is a bad excuse!

[Richard the Lionheart]

But why is religion a more important reason then something that makes me feel good?. Religion is a bad excuse!

Religion is not an excuse, it's a way of life. Like I said, the woman is required by her religion to wear a head-scarf, but you are not required to wear a cap. So stop being so selfish.

And I still fail to see your point about the whole neutrality argument.

[Remco]

Religion is not an excuse, it's a way of life. Like I said, the woman is required by her religion to wear a head-scarf, but you are not required to wear a cap. So stop being so selfish.

We both have our own view on religion. You can't change that, it would end in pointless bickering, so I'll just accept your view on religion. I think this does answer my question, you do think right can be derived from religion, right?

EDIT:
If it was up to me everyone would be allowed to wear anything, anywhere. As long as it doesn't violate the law ofcouse. But it will never happen I am afraid.

[The White Knight]

But why is religion a more important reason then something that makes me feel good?. Religion is a bad excuse!

Religion makes people feel good and partially defines them.