Sarmatian Auxilia vs. Scholae Palatinae

[Cayo]

Scholae Palatinae has more cost and more upkeep than Sarmatian Auxilia, and requires one or two more level of building in the cities to be avaliable than Sarmatian Auxilia. How can be that the numbers of Scholae Palatinae are worst than the nukmbers of the Sarmatian Auxilia?

Sarmatian Auxilia. Cost: 880 Upkeep: 383.
Attack: 10
Defense: 22
Charge: 6
Armor: 9

Scholae Palatinae. Cost: 1000 Upkeep: 435.
Attack: 8
Defense: 21
Charge: 6
Armor: 9

[Spike]

lol, that's the weirdness of Vanilla BI

and yes, if you have acess to Sarmatian Auxilia, better stick with them, unless you're more than willing to raise (mod) Scholae Palatinae's attack stats to 11 in the export_descr_unit

[Cayo]

And there is not a hidden thing that justifies the price of the SP? Like a superior moral or something like this?

[Spike]

type             scholae palatinae
dictionary       scholae_palatinae      ; Scholae Palatinae
category         cavalry
class            heavy
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          scholae_palatinae, 27, 0, 1
mount            heavy horse
mount_effect     elephant -4, camel -4
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation        1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square, wedge
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 8, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -6, 0
stat_mental      10, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1250, 435, 100, 150, 1000
ownership        empire_west, empire_east, empire_west_rebels, empire_east_rebels
 
 
type             sarmatian auxilia
dictionary       sarmatian_auxilia      ; Sarmatian Auxilia
category         cavalry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy_1
soldier          sarmatian_auxilia, 27, 0, 1
mount            medium horse
mount_effect     elephant -4, camel -4
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, power_charge
formation        1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square, wedge
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         10, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 9, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -6, 0
stat_mental      9, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1100, 383, 90, 140, 880
ownership        slave, empire_west, romano_british, empire_west_rebels 

[Cayo]

The only not clearly pro-sarmatian diferences are:
-Palatina is highly_trained while Sarmatian is just trained.
-Palatina uses sword instead of spear. I don't know if it's better or worse.


Is important this highly_trained thing. What does it implies?

[Vindictus]

They both have piercing, I believe.

[Ferdiad]

Highly trained means they have more orderly formation.

[Cayo]

Then looks like the SP is worst than the SA. It's hard to believe but...

[Sar1n]

If memory serves me right, swords have inherent attack bonus against infantry, while spears have attack bonus against cavalry. Would be interesting to put these two against each other.

[Stworca]

If memory serves me right, swords have inherent attack bonus against infantry, while spears have attack bonus against cavalry. Would be interesting to put these two against each other.

This. Believe it or not, weapons actually give bonuses / pentalties depending on whom you fight.
If memory serves well, however, spears are better for charge damage.

Anyhow : SA is better than SP. In (almost) every way.

[Parzival2211]

I also noticed that weird fact that Sarmatians seemed to be better than SP. I never tried to test them against one another. Would indeed be interesting.

Sarmatians have power_charge, both have charge bonus 6 though. So what difference does power charge make then? Anyone?

[debux]

Sarmatians have power_charge, both have charge bonus 6 though. So what difference does power charge make then? Anyone?

Huh? Where can you find that attribute?

[Parzival2211]

Huh? Where can you find that attribute?

In the unit stats. Check out spike's post, No. 4.

[debux]

In the unit stats. Check out spike's post, No. 4.

Funny, I couldn't find the attribute in my EDU of bi... I must have searched the wrong unit. Thanks anyway!

[Ferdiad]

Makes the charge more powerful, they will do more damage and penetrate deeper into the formation.

[wulfgar610]

Scholae Palatinae has more cost and more upkeep than Sarmatian Auxilia, and requires one or two more level of building in the cities to be avaliable than Sarmatian Auxilia. How can be that the numbers of Scholae Palatinae are worst than the nukmbers of the Sarmatian Auxilia?

To some degree the game tries to be historical. The Scholae were guard troopers that also served as central command and training school for officers, they were the guards of the senior HQ core of the army. They simply weren't that common or intended for the work of common soldiery and the Sarmation are more cost effective to encourage the historical relativity.

The Notia Dignitatum records a total of 11 units of Scholae for the East and West compared to about 78 units of other field army cavalry.

[Vindictus]

Perhaps SP should have been given better stats if they were the senior officers.

[Ferdiad]

Perhaps SP should have been given better stats if they were the senior officers.

They would have gotten better stats if CA had better balancing.

[Vindictus]

They would have gotten better stats if CA had better balancing.

So true
Although I have a feeling that ERE would have dominated the battlefield with those monsters...

[Ferdiad]

The ERE was pretty strong during this period anyway so that wouldn't be that bad.