Bin Ladin Raid Reveals Al-Queda's Problems.

[s.rwitt]

Details are starting to come out regarding, among other things, the extent to which Al Queda has been hurt by drone strikes and apprehensions devestating their "midlevel leadership". Oh, and there was porn. Lot's of porn. Most interesting parts quoted below:

He felt threatened by the Arab spring
An administration official told NBC News that Bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri—his right-hand man—saw the early 2011 uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa as a "danger" for the future of al-Qaida. "Governments that bin Laden and his followers had given up on overturning were 'toppling,' but 'the demonstrators were not expressing support for al-Qaida at all" and "not using al-Qaida themes," the official said.

He was largely isolated, and flailing
"What you get is that bin Laden would come up with an idea but it was a very broad aspirational idea," the official told NBC. "And then he'd turn it over to somebody and there was always some sort of disconnect." Bin Laden's subordinates would then have to explain how difficult his terror ideas would be to carry out, the official said.

By the end of 2010, the official added, "there was certainly a sense of loss in terms of the senior leaders that perished, a sense that the midlevel cadre had been decimated."

He was 'delusional'
Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst and author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for Bin Laden," says the al-Qaida head had become "delusional"--a result of living in near-isolation. "He was out of touch after six years basically living in probably two rooms of his house," Bergen told Newsmax.com. "He's calling for attacks on America. The people in al-Qaida were saying, 'Well, you know, that's all very well, but we just don't have the resources to do that.' He was pushing for things that just weren't very plausible."

He was so depressed, he wanted to rename al-Qaida
Hunkered down in his Abbottabad compound, bin Laden anguished as al-Qaida suffered "disaster after disaster," encouraged its operatives to flee to areas "away from aircraft photography and bombardment" and even thought about changing the name of his notorious international terrorist network, John Brennan, Obama's top counterterrorism adviser, said on Monday.

Bin Laden worried about recruiting terrorist talent as U.S. strikes killed some of his veterans, and "agreed that 'a large portion' of Muslims around the world 'have lost their trust' in al-Qaida," Brennan said. "So damaged is al-Qaida's image that bin Laden even considered changing its name." Why? "As bin Laden said himself, U.S. officials have largely stopped using the phrase 'the war on terror' in the context of not wanting to provoke Muslims."

"In short, Al Qaeda [was] losing, badly," Brennan said. "And Bin Laden knew it."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...174844622.html

[Bobz]

No surprise that Al-Queda lost huge amounts of influence in the Arab Spring, and that just confirms their capability has been falling for years.

What is very interesting is despite the claims Bin Ladin spent his last years in virtual isolation at his Pakistani compound, this article came up on the BBC today about Bin Ladin being able to quite freely travel across the country.

Osama Bin Laden: The night he came for dinner

If that's true, and he apparently got past dozens of checkpoints and Pakistani patrols, it also isn't a surprise some elements in Pakistan were supporting him.

[s.rwitt]

I saw that earlier. A very strange story.

[alhoon]

Porn? Seriously?

That nutjob killed many thousands for their beliefs but he's not following his own extreme beliefs?

[s.rwitt]

Porn? Seriously?

That nutjob killed many thousands for their beliefs but he's not following his own extreme beliefs?

Bin Ladin had many strange, seemingly random beliefs. For example, he was against "artificially chilled water" but perfectly fine with television and modern construction equipment.

[priam11]

Porn? Seriously?

That nutjob killed many thousands for their beliefs but he's not following his own extreme beliefs?

Never underestimate the power of good quality porn............

........so I have been told.

[mrmouth]

That nutjob killed many thousands for their beliefs but he's not following his own extreme beliefs?

In parts of Anbar and Basra (Iraq) the militants had brothels that also served as XXX video houses. Despite putting a serious kink in their pious ramblings and violent actions towards the population about such things (certainly played a role in their alienation of the populace), it also inevitably turned violent and downright disgusting.

Some sort of crisis of conscious in Basra specifically, led to mass killings of the women that had entertained them willingly. So then they had to find other women. That started an epidemic of abductions and torture/beheadings of women. Honor killings where normal women were perverted by force, and then tortured and killed for it.

[alhoon]

Nutjob.

[frozenprince]

Osama Bin Laden was nuts.

And in other news, the sky is freaking blue. More at 11.

[alhoon]

But they were shooting goats that didn't cover their genitalia, and want women to be covered head to toe! How can he feel it's OK to watch porn? Or it's something like "After I killed 2000 innocents that barely knew I existed, I can watch 2000 hours of porn and be fine" kind of thing?

[frozenprince]

But they were shooting goats that didn't cover their genitalia, and want women to be covered head to toe! How can he feel it's OK to watch porn? Or it's something like "After I killed 2000 innocents that barely knew I existed, I can watch 2000 hours of porn and be fine" kind of thing?

The dude was nuts. For all we know his damn fish told him to watch hours of porn becuase an image of the Prophet was hidden in the videos.

Crazy people do crazy irrational things for no reason other than being crazy and irrational.

[Bobz]

The dude was nuts. For all we know his damn fish told him to watch hours of porn becuase an image of the Prophet was hidden in the videos.

Crazy people do crazy irrational things for no reason other than being crazy and irrational.

I do hope that's in reference to the story an Al-queda terrorist hid his plans in a porn film

[hellheaven1987]

But they were shooting goats that didn't cover their genitalia, and want women to be covered head to toe! How can he feel it's OK to watch porn? Or it's something like "After I killed 2000 innocents that barely knew I existed, I can watch 2000 hours of porn and be fine" kind of thing?

Well, there are many strange things in the world.

[Surgeon]

Wait, so you mean to say... porn is responsible for 9/11??

[Poet]

Details are starting to come out regarding, among other things, the extent to which Al Queda has been hurt by drone strikes and apprehensions devestating their "midlevel leadership". Oh, and there was porn. Lot's of porn. Most interesting parts quoted below:







http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...174844622.html

And the source of all this news is "the truthful states of America", as if you never lied for your goals, as if you never used propaganda tools against your enemies. Muslim masses consider porn as extremely immoral so to make Saddam, Ghaddaffi (Osama was better than them any ways) and Osama bad before their people, porn had to be discovered from their mansions and palaces. As far as drone strikes are concerned, you think those are effective, sure those are effective in killing innocent people more than suspected terrorists and this is not what I am saying but a British news source reveals this truth that only a few terrorists and 2500 innocent civilians were killed in those strikes including more than 150 children.

[Admiral Piett]

And the source of all this news is "the truthful states of America", as if you never lied for your goals, as if you never used propaganda tools against your enemies. Muslim masses consider porn as extremely immoral so to make Saddam, Ghaddaffi (Osama was better than them any ways) and Osama bad before their people, porn had to be discovered from their mansions and palaces. As far as drone strikes are concerned, you think those are effective, sure those are effective in killing innocent people more than suspected terrorists and this is not what I am saying but a British news source reveals this truth that only a few terrorists and 2500 innocent civilians were killed in those strikes including more than 150 children.

So you're saying that people don't go insane or get antsy when they spend 6 years in almost total isolation? It should be expected. Boredom destroys sanity.

[♔DeusVult!♔]

And the source of all this news is "the truthful states of America", as if you never lied for your goals, as if you never used propaganda tools against your enemies. Muslim masses consider porn as extremely immoral so to make Saddam, Ghaddaffi (Osama was better than them any ways) and Osama bad before their people, porn had to be discovered from their mansions and palaces. As far as drone strikes are concerned, you think those are effective, sure those are effective in killing innocent people more than suspected terrorists and this is not what I am saying but a British news source reveals this truth that only a few terrorists and 2500 innocent civilians were killed in those strikes including more than 150 children.

This is why I love this site.

USA, planting porn on upstanding Muslims everywhere since 1979. Hooah

[Prosaic Visitant]

And the source of all this news is "the truthful states of America", as if you never lied for your goals, as if you never used propaganda tools against your enemies. Muslim masses consider porn as extremely immoral so to make Saddam, Ghaddaffi (Osama was better than them any ways) and Osama bad before their people, porn had to be discovered from their mansions and palaces. As far as drone strikes are concerned, you think those are effective, sure those are effective in killing innocent people more than suspected terrorists and this is not what I am saying but a British news source reveals this truth that only a few terrorists and 2500 innocent civilians were killed in those strikes including more than 150 children.

How do you explain the prevalence of porn in Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other pious Mohammedan nations?

This bit really made me laugh in light of your comment.

A ban on pornographic websites in Pakistan by the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) in November 2011 has led to a surge in the sale of CDs and DVDs of this particular type of entertainment in Karachi.
. . .
Dealers at the [Rainbow] centre say they have been seeing sales grow since November.
“People no longer come here for Hollywood or Bollywood movies. They want porn,” said Afaq, who refused to share his full name. “If you ask me, almost 90% of our revenue comes from the sale of such content.”

So, the masses of Islam consider porn immoral, do they?

[Sher Khan]

How do you explain the prevalence of porn in Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other pious Mohammedan nations?

This bit really made me laugh in light of your comment.

So, the masses of Islam consider porn immoral, do they?

You and he are both mistaken.

The mention of porn is not to present Bin Laden as immoral to the Muslim world, it is to present him as hypocritical at best or immoral at worst to a Western audience (you're reading it in English after all). It's because people who read it will insert their own ideas on what a religious conservative is and what pornography means to him. Bin Laden having porn is a little different from Pat Robertson having porn, never mind that the supposed porn stash may not be Bin laden's at all nor do we understand what 'substantial' is supposed to mean. More than one? Comparable to some average person's stash (whose)? Maybe it's normal or underwhelming compared to everyone else's stash, but for the sake of our public shame any normal stash that is revealed then becomes 'a lot.'

Furthermore... show of hands here: how often do you guys search for porn through Google? It's likely these places are no more sex-crazed (probably less so in absolute number of searches) than Germany or Japan, but their porn-fu is comparatively underdeveloped and primitive.

[Seether]

So when you said this:

As far as drone strikes are concerned, you think those are effective, sure those are effective in killing innocent people more than suspected terrorists and this is not what I am saying but a British news source reveals this truth that only a few terrorists and 2500 innocent civilians were killed in those strikes including more than 150 children.

You were actually lying, because your source says this:

This is just not true. The UK-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism is the group that keeps the best count of casualties from U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. According to its figures, since 2004, U.S. has killed between about 2,500-3,000 people in Pakistan. Of those, between 479 and 811 were civilians, 174 of them children.

Now, I'm not a mathematician, but your claim of "only a few terrorists and 2500 innocent civilians" does not equate to "2,500-3,000 people... Of those, between 479 and 811 were civilians". You want to make up false claims, I can to. Pakistan is the world leader in :wub: related injuries, with over 95% of the male population having been hospitalized in the past 12 months for hairy-palm syndrome.