Stand Your Ground Against the Handicapped!

**Stark of Winterfell** · May 01, 2012, 11:33 AM

Stand your ground is in the news again.

The driver slammed on the brakes, just missing Adkins. The two men exchanged words.
The shooter told police that Adkins "air swung" his hands in the direction of the SUV, but acknowledged he never hit him or his vehicle. Still, he said, he was afraid of what Adkins might do with the weapon he believed he was carrying. Although a weapon was never found, the shooter described it as a 3-foot metal pipe or bat.

When Adkins lifted his hands in the air again, the driver drew his Smith and Wesson .40-caliber handgun from his sweatpants. He pointed the barrel at Adkins from inside his car and racked the slide of the gun, putting a bullet in the chamber. Then he pulled the trigger.

While the shooter said he did not believe Adkins would have killed him and his fiancée had he not fired, he also said he feared Adkins was trying to hurt him.

So this man shot a mentally handicapped person because he was afraid that this person might hurt him with a nonexistent weapon. I thought you had to be in fear for your life to shoot someone under Stand Your Ground? He has not yet been charged. Granted, the story is still pretty new, but it sounds very bad. Worse than the Martin story, because there appears to be absolutely no evidence that the shooter was in much, if any danger at all. So is this just a coincidence or is it that because of the Martin case, the media is actually picking up on these things now?

Also, note that this takes place in Arizona on the turf of everyone's favorite Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona. So I don't think this guy will get charged for choosing violence as the preferred solution to a potential problem.

Mods, if there is another Stand Your Ground thread floating around feel free to combine this with it, but I didn't see any in the past few days.

**s.rwitt** · May 01, 2012, 11:45 AM

Again, before we develop opinions on this, what race are the victim and shooter? Because if it's not white hurting minority I'm reporting you for wasting my time.

**JP226** · May 01, 2012, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by s.rwitt

Again, before we develop opinions on this, what race are the victim and shooter? Because if it's not white hurting minority I'm reporting you for wasting my time.

The shooter was black. I heard about this case a while back. If I were hispanic, I'd start a race riot. Not so much b/c of this incident, but b/c i'd be considered white if I killed someone and "only" hispanic if I was shot.

**Phier** · May 01, 2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by JP226

The shooter was black.

Well shazbot.

Thats really going to mess up the narrative!

UNTIL....

This guy goes to jail and that WHITE hispanic gets off, then its part of the narrative again.

**Menelik_I** · May 02, 2012, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by JP226

The shooter was black. I heard about this case a while back. If I were hispanic, I'd start a race riot. Not so much b/c of this incident, but b/c i'd be considered white if I killed someone and "only" hispanic if I was shot.

Don't worry, you probably can receive a free lynching courtesy of the ''Justice for Trayvon ''group. Just make sure to look white enough ok

a white couple were beaten savagely by a group of (according to reports) between 30 and 100 black youths. Apparently, the beating was so brutal that the couple could only manage to scream out the intersection at which they were located – “Church and Brambleton” –

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/beat...and-brambleton

**motiv-8** · May 02, 2012, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Menelik_I

Don't worry, you probably can receive a free lynching courtesy of the ''Justice for Trayvon ''group. Just make sure to look white enough ok

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/beat...and-brambleton

Sooo, in a thread about something completely unrelated to Trayvon Martin, you decided to bring him up irrelevantly and justified doing so by linking a news report about an assault which even the editor of the story points out is part of a series of assaults that predates the Trayvon Martin case, involves teenage gangs, and is only remotely connected to Trayvon Martin through an anonymous Twitter post.

Nicely done. Not only off-topic, but terribly so.

**Border Patrol** · May 02, 2012, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by JP226

The shooter was black. I heard about this case a while back. If I were hispanic, I'd start a race riot. Not so much b/c of this incident, but b/c i'd be considered white if I killed someone and "only" hispanic if I was shot.

It is indeed an alienating son of a

, that one.

**MathiasOfAthens** · May 02, 2012, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by s.rwitt

Again, before we develop opinions on this, what race are the victim and shooter? Because if it's not white hurting minority I'm reporting you for wasting my time.

Honestly, I dont care what race anyone is. I didnt care in the Trayvon Case either... Before my words come back to bite me I do remember how hyperbolic my intro was.

Anyway if the OP quote is accurate then the shooter has no right to claim self defense. He was sitting in his car. He didnt fear for his life. He saw no weapon. And he had the option to flee. But of course here is where stand your ground gets murky because the law says you do not have to flee. Instead of fleeing you can put yourself in danger by staying and then shooting.

Stupid

ing law.

**Prosaic Visitant** · May 02, 2012, 11:04 AM

Funny how the Martin case makes waves all the way over here, in the People's Republic of Australia; yet I only find this story on the 'net and I don't expect to hear it anywhere else.

**xcorps** · May 01, 2012, 12:07 PM

The victim (based on looking at the picture) was partly hispanic. Being a partly disabled partly hispanic makes him a minority. I'm not going to bother to check on the shooter, because he's white. Only white people shoot disabled hispanics.

(the shooter is allegedly black)

**s.rwitt** · May 01, 2012, 12:15 PM

I wonder if he looks like Obama's hypothtical son.

**xcorps** · May 01, 2012, 12:30 PM

I like how CNN withhled the identity of the shooter "because he wasn't arrested." Is that the new euphemism for Black?

3 unarrested men arrested on drug charges is a bit cumbersome.

**Menelik_I** · May 01, 2012, 12:33 PM

Could you please define what are ''Stand your ground Law'' or what circumstances makes this case related to it, because the CNN article logic to connect this and the law is downright moronic or intended to confuse the reader. PS: Actually CNN is outrightlying

CNN reviewed four deadly force cases, each with a unique set of circumstances that tested the boundaries of Stand Your Ground laws.

Is the use of deadly force justified when the attacker has no weapon and doesn't touch the person who feels threatened? If an intruder has been subdued, is shooting him or her justified? Can a person chase someone down and then claim self-defense? Are Stand Your Ground laws necessary or were existing laws enough?

Which as nothing to do with the much complained about law which says that (Source) :

Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

Basically it means that a legitimate case of self-defense cannot be voided by allegation that the shooter had to exhaust all possible option of escape, but besides that it is the same as self-defense ... but why use facts when rabid hysteria is enough.

PS : Please don't waste my time if the shooter is not a White or the victim is not black.

**Fluttershy** · May 01, 2012, 12:37 PM

I am very disappointed, I was looking forward to a riveting discussion about how evil and pampered the handicapped are (Seriously, why cant I park up front anywhere!?) and how we need to make it so the handicapped are no longer MORE equal then the rest of us.

Instead its another boring shooting story, yawn