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  • 1) I don't like him and his publishing doings

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  • 3) I'm not in favour of him and his business model

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  • 4) He is evil, but an inspiration to me

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  • 5) He is a cunning saint, that knows who to manipulate politics

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    Rupert Murdoch


    • How much good does he do - and who benefits?


    • And: are British politicians far more kiss-assing than others - esp. than American, but(t) also Asian or mainland European politicians - in regards to Murdoch and his business empire?


    an inaccurate visual approximation of R. Mordoch:



    from guardian.co.uk - PLEASE OPEN! (it's only in "spoilers" as to not make this post too long)
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    Rupert Murdoch may be a monster but David Cameron and co are far worse

    Murdoch's contempt for politicians demonstrated at Leveson this week is perhaps the one thing we can all agree with him on

    I know we're all ending this week desperate to find common ground with Rupert Murdoch, so I hope to be of assistance. After all, arguably the most striking feature of the News Corp boss's testimony before the Leveson inquiry was his radioactive contempt for the politicians with which he has been so inconveniently saddled. As someone who has long treated a change in government as the shuffling of junior personnel, Murdoch appears to have concluded that you really can't get the staff any more. And as an electorate that has concluded that you really can't get the overlords any more, we might ironically sympathise.

    The list of things for which you could blame Rupert is hardly under-aired at present, but only the most piously naive would think self-interested politicking was worthy of a place on it. Blaming Murdoch for attempting to influence policy in his commercial favour is like disagreeing with gravity. He should be expected to behave like a rapacious corporate monster because that is what he is.

    Where people have a right to expect far more, however, is from those notionally elected to look after their interests. The trouble with the Christian right is that it tends to be neither, runs a popular diss, and you could say the same for our "political elite". They are as cackiavellian as they are bottom-flight.

    Indeed, Murdoch's contempt for politicians seems largely borne of the embarrassing ease with which he is able to persuade them to fawn over him. "I wish they'd leave me alone," he lamented of a succession of prime ministers during last year's select committee testimony.

    For Leveson he removed one glove, sweetly observing that Gordon Brown was unbalanced, but reserving his most insouciantly withering dismissals for the current prime minister. Did he find David Cameron a "lightweight" on his first meeting, he was asked? A pause. "Not then," came the reply. Cameron's needy dash to pay homage at his holiday yacht was treated with the faux-pity it deserved. "Mr Cameron might have thought stopping in Santorini might impress me, I don't know," Murdoch sighed – the unspoken "It didn't" hanging derisively in the air.

    (Incidentally, if Cameron still is nursing even the vaguest glow after his aggrandising visit to Washington, he may care to watch the clip of The Daily Show's Jon Stewart voicing incredulity that not only did the PM humbly call on Murdoch, but that the only way on to the old boy's yacht was a freebie trip in his son-in-law's plane. "In the States we're not even allowed to give congresspeople T-shirts and hats," Stewart marvelled, "and our country's corrupt as !")

    Needless to say, the hapless Gordon Brown would have swum out to that yacht had he been furnished with its co-ordinates – just as he'd have raced Cameron to Simon Cowell's holiday boat, which has on at least one occasion been anchored right by Murdoch's. Yes, in a most unfortunate coalescence of circumstances for the political class, this week's Leveson revelations coincided with the publication of Tom Bower's biography of Simon Cowell, the TV music mogul in whom two successive PMs have invested astounding flattery. The book reveals that it is a Murdoch family member who introduces Cameron to Cowell, and thereafter the fawning seems to commence. "His easy manner and grasp of Cowell's career secured the star's sympathy," we learn.

    Brown had long been greasing up, you'll recall, claiming he wanted to create "an X Factor Britain", so the rivalry for Cowell's affections intensifies. "Anticipating the general election", Brown and Cameron give the tabloids opposing views on Jedward. Meanwhile, a Brown aide tells the Mirror that Cowell might expect a knighthood post-election. The Labour leader is clearly antsy. "Hours after he was seen in Westminster with David Cameron," Bower relates, "Brown personally telephoned Cowell to check whether the Tories had sought his political endorsement." It doesn't end happily for Gordon, I'm afraid – but even Cowell is surprised to find the Sun splashing on election morning with a few quotes Rebekah Brooks has asked him to toss off in support of Cameron.

    Other highlights of another edifying week for the top flight? I suppose you'd include the home affairs select committee calling Russell Brand to testify on drugs policy just so they could get their mugs on the telly. And Alex Reid – the erstwhile cagefighting husband of Katie Price – being invited to Westminster by Labour's shadow education minister to spearhead some school dinners campaign. Inevitably, Reid announced his desire to be an MP – and one has to ask, could he honestly do any worse than most of the incumbents? My records show that this is his third official visit to Westminster in seven months, making him a more familiar face than, say, Gordon Brown.

    So you might be approaching the issue from a slightly different angle to billionaire mogul Rupert Murdoch, but chances are you hold your so-called betters in similar regard. "Cancer has Murdoch", ran the Private Eye headline when the old boy had some bother with his prostate 12 years ago, and a similar ironic reversal now seems apt. "Murdoch finds political class distasteful" certainly puts the governing elite into perspective.
    More on Rupert Mordoch in the guardian.co.uk... http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/rupert-murdoch


    For the purpose of classification - two fairly random internet videos on Rupert Murdoch:




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    Sorry but the pope is the best emperor palpatine of all time.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Sorry but the pope is the best emperor palpatine of all time.
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    ... but far less powerfull, than Mr R.M.!

    IB4TL
    Well, who cares? Yeah, it may seem partly polemic and disrespectful to some... but hacking 9/11 victim relatives, murder/kidnapping relatives, lawyers and whatnot should be IB4TL even more... or? And bribing police? But if this is in-befor-the-lock - well, whatever.

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    It is utterly disgusting that leading politicians on both sides of the political spectrum have allowed this man to have so much power over them. I also detest what he has done to the newspaper industry. The Times used to be a respectable, broadsheet until he bought it and transformed it into a pathetic compacted version. To read the Times used to be the epitome of an Englishman.
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    Now it's the Sun for pretentious people.
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    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    Most likely the newspaper industry in the Uk would be on life support; supposedly, Newscorp would have jettisoned them by now if Murdoch didn't have a sentimental streak.
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    IIRC Tom Watson referred to James Murdoch, Rupert's son, as 'the first mafia leader who doesn't know that he's running a criminal organisation.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    IIRC Tom Watson referred to James Murdoch, Rupert's son, as 'the first mafia leader who doesn't know that he's running a criminal organisation.'
    Or maybe He is self-aware and sane enough to not suffer from the conspiracy mentality that critics of Murdoch have.

    Anti-Murdoch sentiment is purely historical and not grounded in reality, because in the UK it is Murdoch ventures vs the BBC (A State funded monster with guaranteed revenues), same in Canada, and in the USA it is FOXNEWS vs NBC, CBS, NPR, and MSNBC ...

    Can't have at least ONE center right outlet that people just screaming conspiracy theories.

    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps View Post
    My question is:

    Who cares what good he does? He is a businessman. No different than any other businessman, except you don't like Fox News. Since when did the world become a place for do-gooders only?
    It is this mania that people have that because they happen to live, they somehow have a right to tell others how to spend their money.
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    How much good does he do - and who benefits?
    My question is:

    Who cares what good he does? He is a businessman. No different than any other businessman, except you don't like Fox News. Since when did the world become a place for do-gooders only?
    "Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps View Post
    My question is:

    Who cares what good he does? He is a businessman. No different than any other businessman, except you don't like Fox News. Since when did the world become a place for do-gooders only?


    get it right, he is a right wing extremist and a propagandist, who funds xenophobic hate rags that should get there staff prosecuted for inciting murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Or maybe He is self-aware and sane enough to not suffer from the conspiracy mentality that critics of Murdoch have.

    Anti-Murdoch sentiment is purely historical and not grounded in reality, because in the UK it is Murdoch ventures vs the BBC (A State funded monster with guaranteed revenues), same in Canada, and in the USA it is FOXNEWS vs NBC, CBS, NPR, and MSNBC ...

    Can't have at least ONE center right outlet that people just screaming conspiracy theories.



    It is this mania that people have that because they happen to live, they somehow have a right to tell others how to spend their money.

    Every news outlet is on the right, Murdoch's are far right, and not happy unless US troops are forcing arabs face first in white phosphorous for murdoch to wank over, all you here from him is KILL MAIM BURN! If he loves slaughter so much, give him a suicide vest and surround him with his family, then detonate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    get it right, he is a right wing extremist and a propagandist, who funds xenophobic hate rags that should get there staff prosecuted for inciting murder.

    So you do support genocide.
    "Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps View Post
    So you do support genocide.

    erm what? He certainly does. Inciting murder is a crime which you get jailed for..I don't know how that became me calling for genocide (tho murdochs papers with the constant anti-immigrant, anti-arab, and anti minirity line they spout could be seen as that I suppose.

    oh and on a far less serious comment



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    Cite them.

    name me a single one that calls for the prosecution of the war criminals Bush and Blair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    name me a single one that calls for the prosecution of the war criminals Bush and Blair.


    You Trotsky ?
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    Every news outlet is on the right
    Cite them.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Every news outlet is on the right? wat

    That perception is a sign of extremism if there ever was one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Patrol View Post
    Every news outlet is on the right? wat

    That perception is a sign of extremism if there ever was one.

    Should have clarified to every american. BBC and ITN are actual news sites, and don't spin it. I get my news off Radio 4, listen to it at work, everything from the Today program onwards (well technically farming today on the way to work, speech and documentaries pass the time for me far better than music. )
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    MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC are certainly not on the right. CNN is closer to the middle, but still not on the right. Glenn Beck TV doesn't count.

    And Fox dominates cable news, beating MSNBC and CNN combined in ratings, and is the leading cable news for the 9th straight year. The top 5 cable news programs are ALL on Fox.
    I suppose your response is going to be the standard herpderp of dumbamellykin, but you cannot deny that Fox delivers what the viewers ask for. It's like talk radio. Liberal talk radio can't stay on the radio, and conservative talk radio is hugely popular. Right? Is that because of evul conservative baby killing Rush Limbaugh, or is it because most Americans identify with the ideology? Or is it because Rupert Murdoch is the REAL lizard man?
    "Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps View Post
    MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC are certainly not on the right. CNN is closer to the middle, but still not on the right. Glenn Beck TV doesn't count.

    And Fox dominates cable news, beating MSNBC and CNN combined in ratings, and is the leading cable news for the 9th straight year. The top 5 cable news programs are ALL on Fox.
    I suppose your response is going to be the standard herpderp of dumbamellykin, but you cannot deny that Fox delivers what the viewers ask for. It's like talk radio. Liberal talk radio can't stay on the radio, and conservative talk radio is hugely popular. Right? Is that because of evul conservative baby killing Rush Limbaugh, or is it because most Americans identify with the ideology? Or is it because Rupert Murdoch is the REAL lizard man?

    They all subscribe to neo-liberalism, so yes right wing.

    It's because americans identify with a war hungry murderous ideology, that Murdoch is try to export globally, (combined with his White-Australia influenced racial politics)

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    You Trotsky ?

    They caused far more death and havoc than Charles Taylor (or Osama) and used torture, ordered attacks on hospitals and the wounded, ran rendition flights, supported mercenaries who slaughtered civilians indiscriminately and breached the Nuremburg Principles..so yes War Criminals, send them to the Hague and try them (then let them spend the rest of there days in sensory deprivation tanks)
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps View Post
    MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC are certainly not on the right. CNN is closer to the middle, but still not on the right. Glenn Beck TV doesn't count.

    And Fox dominates cable news, beating MSNBC and CNN combined in ratings, and is the leading cable news for the 9th straight year. The top 5 cable news programs are ALL on Fox.
    I suppose your response is going to be the standard herpderp of dumbamellykin, but you cannot deny that Fox delivers what the viewers ask for. It's like talk radio. Liberal talk radio can't stay on the radio, and conservative talk radio is hugely popular. Right? Is that because of evul conservative baby killing Rush Limbaugh, or is it because most Americans identify with the ideology? Or is it because Rupert Murdoch is the REAL lizard man?
    It's because a near plurality Americans are conservative in the first place, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the private media. They are all profit-seeking businesses, and they are all on the right in that respect, solidly, unquestionably so. Have you ever watched CNBC? NBC, CBS, and ABC news (the little that they do) isn't colored by a lot of bias at all, because the main point of those channels is to earn money from entertainment shows. They don't want to alienate viewers with their little news programming, they want them to tune in for their shows. This is why you have shows like Family Guy on FOX the main channel, despite it being incompatible in many ways with FOX news bias, etc. etc.

    Now, if you want to make money, and FOX News has already cornered the huge conservative market in the US, what do you do with your 24/7 news channels? Why, you go to untapped markets. MSNBC did this and gained a ton of viewership as a result, even though there are half as many liberals as conservatives. CNN tries to get the middle and the moderates, but the problem is, those people aren't as likely to watch 24/7 news channels. And you may notice how all corporate media, regardless of slant, is presented in a highly opinionated, sparkly entertainment sort of way, when compared to, say, NPR and PBS. This includes the stories covered, where celebrities get huge amounts of coverage compared to, say, anything else going on the world.

    The private media isn't left-wing at all, in fact, that couldn't be further from the truth. It is about as corporatized and profit-seeking as ever, and political bias is just another demographic to compete with viewers for. Many on the extreme right think the media is out to get them based on the way the media covers them, but this is just a false perception. The Republican Party has become a party dominated by extremists, and it's hard for the media to not expose them, though it still does a great job with false equivalencies. Better for extremists to blame some sort of media conspiracy rather than look in the mirror I suppose, but doing so only allows the extremists to gain a firmer hold of the Republican Party. The only thing that kept them from gaining control of the Presidential nomination this year was the fact that they were split amongst themselves against the establishment. Then, perhaps a huge landslide win for Obama would have woke them up, but now they will have Romney to blame, already percieved as Obama-lite, if they lose.

    Now, if you want to talk about good media and journalism, rather than popular or money making, in the US you have NPR and PBS, which are very good compared to corporate media, and which are non-profit and state subsidized. Perhaps the profit motive isn't good for all industries and professions, who knew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthias View Post
    It's because a near plurality Americans are conservative in the first place, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the private media. They are all profit-seeking businesses, and they are all on the right in that respect, solidly, unquestionably so. Have you ever watched CNBC? NBC, CBS, and ABC news (the little that they do) isn't colored by a lot of bias at all, because the main point of those channels is to earn money from entertainment shows. They don't want to alienate viewers with their little news programming, they want them to tune in for their shows. This is why you have shows like Family Guy on FOX the main channel, despite it being incompatible in many ways with FOX news bias, etc. etc.

    Now, if you want to make money, and FOX News has already cornered the huge conservative market in the US, what do you do with your 24/7 news channels? Why, you go to untapped markets. MSNBC did this and gained a ton of viewership as a result, even though there are half as many liberals as conservatives. CNN tries to get the middle and the moderates, but the problem is, those people aren't as likely to watch 24/7 news channels. And you may notice how all corporate media, regardless of slant, is presented in a highly opinionated, sparkly entertainment sort of way, when compared to, say, NPR and PBS. This includes the stories covered, where celebrities get huge amounts of coverage compared to, say, anything else going on the world.

    The private media isn't left-wing at all, in fact, that couldn't be further from the truth. It is about as corporatized and profit-seeking as ever, and political bias is just another demographic to compete with viewers for. Many on the extreme right think the media is out to get them based on the way the media covers them, but this is just a false perception. The Republican Party has become a party dominated by extremists, and it's hard for the media to not expose them, though it still does a great job with false equivalencies. Better for extremists to blame some sort of media conspiracy rather than look in the mirror I suppose, but doing so only allows the extremists to gain a firmer hold of the Republican Party. The only thing that kept them from gaining control of the Presidential nomination this year was the fact that they were split amongst themselves against the establishment. Then, perhaps a huge landslide win for Obama would have woke them up, but now they will have Romney to blame, already percieved as Obama-lite, if they lose.

    Now, if you want to talk about good media and journalism, rather than popular or money making, in the US you have NPR and PBS, which are very good compared to corporate media, and which are non-profit and state subsidized. Perhaps the profit motive isn't good for all industries and professions, who knew?
    NPR is good news?
    And you accuse me of having a fundamental misunderstanding of the media?
    "Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

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