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    Lybia is doing efforts for a secular democracy

    Libya's ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) has issued a new law that bans parties that are based on religious principles, the council spokesman said.
    The law, which was passed on Wednesday, comes two months ahead of the country's first general elections to choose a 200-member assembly tasked with writing a new constitution and forming a government.
    The surprise move was immediately denounced by Islam-oriented parties that are preparing to compete in the June elections.
    NTC spokesman Mohamed al-Hareizi said the provision, included in a law which governs the formation of political parties, was designed to preserve "national unity".
    "Parties shouldn't be based on ethnic or religious ideologies," he said. "We don't want the government to be divided by these ideological differences."
    He did not make clear how this would affect a political party formed in March by Libya's Muslim Brotherhood and other religious groups.
    The new party was expected to make a strong showing in the election, the first since last year's overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in a NATO-backed popular uprising.
    I personally think that this is a very interesting experiment, a democracy is being implanted in middle east with religious parties banned. Mind you, there are in several western countries religious parties with a good amount of influence, despite their secular stance.

    If Libya is really comitted to fully enter democracy out of trauma from Gadaffi presence, which was islamic presence, maybe this has the conditions to work, Libya at least appears to be willing to renounce religion on politics in exchange for not having another dictatorship.

    Only time can fully tell, since the islamic presence is very strong, there is the risk of some religious backed coup d'etat against this anti-religion law.

    Also an interesting story to those who feel agitated with middle east trying to acess democracy.

    What's your opinion on the probability of sucess of this experiment?

    Source:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...=MasterAccount

    Edit- NTC has lifted the ban. Do you agree with it? A totally secular democracy with a ban on religious parties, or a more religion inclined democracy that fully reflects the religious people? On the trade-off between the two, which one would say it's better?

    Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17930578
    Last edited by fkizz; May 03, 2012 at 08:17 AM.

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    Good. I don't care about any of that "Oh, it's not democracy!" . A democracy cannot succeed on non-secular principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone View Post
    Good. I don't care about any of that "Oh, it's not democracy!" . A democracy cannot succeed on non-secular principles.
    Agree.

    Good thing for Libya. I wish them well. They certainly could improve a lot. They as people certainly have the quality to go forward and their resources are more than enough for their small population. Happy for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone View Post
    Good. I don't care about any of that "Oh, it's not democracy!" . A democracy cannot succeed on non-secular principles.
    But how can you do that in a place where most guys are religious nuts? Ban everyone with a belief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone View Post
    Good. I don't care about any of that "Oh, it's not democracy!" . A democracy cannot succeed on non-secular principles.
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    Secularism, separation of spheres in social life. Religious practices within religious institutions and political practices within political institutions.

    Good, I hope they succeed as well.

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    Separation of church (or, in this case, mosque) and state. Good on the NTC. This is a step in the right direction. I was somewhat sceptical about the whole Libya deal, but this has given me a bit more hope.

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    What happened to Libya becoming a theocracy?

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    Hey, that's the best damn thing I've heard all day.


    Except religion always find a way to muck up your politics, just look at the Republican party.

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    I'm really disappointed, after we have endured the tedious repeating "OMG Lybia was taken over by Islamists" now I feel that all was in vain.

    But there is still hope in Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    I'm really disappointed, after we have endured the tedious repeating "OMG Lybia was taken over by Islamists" now I feel that all was in vain.

    But there is still hope in Syria.
    You made my day thanks

    All is not too well in Eqypt however. I believe most of them would prefer secular government but secularism image has been ruined by the Mubarak regime.....you know not too intelligent people (read right wing conservative or worse ultra right conservative) with a strong religious beliefs(whatever the religion is) are no different from people like Mubarak who was a secular far right.
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    This is just wrong. Shoot them instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fkizz View Post
    What's your opinion on the probability of sucess of this experiment?
    Hopefully it works out, but major factions of the rebellion were Islamist, so they probably won't give up without a fight. After all, they fought and died for their ideals. The most effective and well organized of these groups was the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, but Belhaj has them tied up fighting in Syria right now. It'll be interesting to see if Belhaj is reappointed the de facto warlord of Tripoli when he returns.

    Also, didn't the NTC mention the new constitution will be enlightened by Sharia Law? That should placate the Islamist parties, at least minimally.
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    Probably first good news from Libya from a long while. However, banning religious parties won't make religious fanatics and their movements disappear. And we are not talking about just parties, those are armed groups, backed by various states.

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    Also dont forget that NTC not even fully control Tripoli dont mention rest of the country.
    NTC have low if any popular support so i wonder how their legitymacy looks.

    Anyway what about Libya money and funds frozen by West?
    What happened to them after Kadaffi get murdered and NTC officialy take control of the country?
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    It's sad that a democratic nation needs undemocratic foundations like this, but I guess it's the lesser of two evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fkizz View Post
    Lybia is doing efforts for a secular democracy

    I personally think that this is a very interesting experiment, a democracy is being implanted in middle east with religious parties banned. Mind you, there are in several western countries religious parties with a good amount of influence, despite their secular stance.

    If Libya is really comitted to fully enter democracy out of trauma from Gadaffi presence, which was islamic presence, maybe this has the conditions to work, Libya at least appears to be willing to renounce religion on politics in exchange for not having another dictatorship.

    Only time can fully tell, since the islamic presence is very strong, there is the risk of some religious backed coup d'etat against this anti-religion law.

    Also an interesting story to those who feel agitated with middle east trying to acess democracy.

    What's your opinion on the probability of sucess of this experiment?

    Source:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...=MasterAccount
    Agreed, democracy is will of people and all should let have a chance to take part in it, controlled democracy is no democracy, by the way I congratulate liberators of Libya, those who have pain in ass about dictatorship in ME, their puppets introduced democracy of their own type.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone View Post
    Good. I don't care about any of that "Oh, it's not democracy!" . A democracy cannot succeed on non-secular principles.
    Loads of ::, utterly disgusting hypocrisy. Democracy is good if Islam is annihilated. Or why you don't you speak out the truth, that you do not want true representation of Muslim masses. Allah already told us in Qur'an that they (non-believers) would never accept us until we leave our true religion and follow their path. WE WONT!!!
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