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The Anthem of England
As of yet, every country in the United Kingdom have their own official anthem, but England has not. There is much debate as to what the Anthem of England should be, some say "I Vow to Thee, My Country", some say "God Save the Queen", I say, however, that our anthem should be the glorious, most patriotic, tear demanding hymn we have, "Jerusalem".
JERUSALEM
I VOW TO THEE, MY COUNTRY
LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
What do you think should be our Anthem?
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God save the queen has a verse on killing Scottish people, and it has to be sung by everybody, so if I were you I'd just take it as a win.
Civitate
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I've always wondered about that... Isn't it a bit... wrong... For a monarch of a country to be hailed with a song where there is a part like that?Originally Posted by Ferrets54
"Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know,
a pestilence here, a plague there... He's so deliciously evil."
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It was written during the Jacobite rebellion where a Scottish army came as far South into England as Derby. The "God Save the King" isn't as figurative a plea as you may have assumed.I've always wondered about that... Isn't it a bit... wrong... For a monarch of a country to be hailed with a song where there is a part like that?
quaeri, si sapis
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Well, it's no worse than France's (water the fields with the blood of slaughtered enemies) and Germany's (to the tune of the Nazi national anthem).I've always wondered about that... Isn't it a bit... wrong... For a monarch of a country to be hailed with a song where there is a part like that?
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Praepositus
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The Nazis just borrowed an existing anthem (a very nice one at that I might add) and the words were written far before the 20th century.
Anyways, if I was a Brit, I'd vote to keep GOD SAVE THE QUEEN, a might proper anthem for a monarchy such as the UK.
Civitate
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Ok, but blood the fields with enemies is one thing, to identify the enemies and they are now part of the kingdom is another.
"Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know,
a pestilence here, a plague there... He's so deliciously evil."
Stewie, Family Guy
The Scribbling Scotsman
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That is the very reason that this verse of the anthem is very rarely sung, because offending the Scots is wrong.
Honestly, as an Anglo-Scot, I would say that it's absolutely fine. Especially when you consider;
"But we can still rise now,
And be the nation again,
That stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again."
Though not exactly explicit about "crushing" things, it means much the same and is still sung on most occasions where Flower of Scotland is sung/played. Ed was the English king, they killed his men and sent him away. No reason, in my mind, why both shouldn't have a verse about quashing your adversaries.
P.S.
I vote "I Vow to Thee, My Country"
Dux Limitis
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It wasn't the 'Nazi national anthem', it was the already existing German anthem.
Jerusalem should be the English anthem. It sounds good and the lyrics are nice.
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It was the Nazi National anthem; I didn't say they have a sole claim to it, just that the Deutschlandlied was the national anthem of Germany during the Nazi period.
On topic, the verse about the Jacobites was appended to the already existing song: whether you think the histories of the songs taint them today is your personal opinion but you can't deny that history entirely.
Last edited by Copperknickers II; May 01, 2012 at 12:06 PM.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
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The Deutschlandlied is not the "Nazi national anthem." It is a song advocating German unity. It is a travesty that the first verse (modern Germany uses the third) has become taboo due to associations with the Nazis.
Praeses
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"Jerusalem" is a bad choice because it references a city that lies in another country, on another continent. Of course, they could always change the text...
The text (all three verses) is a revolutionary song from the 19th century by Hoffmann von Fallersleben, while the tune was written by Joseph Haydn in the 18th century. Neither have anything to do with the Nazis. The "Nazi national anthem" is actually the Horst-Wessel-Lied, which is sung to the tune of a traditional song. We need an "epic fail" emoticon...
Am I the only one to have recognized Gustav Holst's Jupiter in I Vow to Thee, my Country? While they're at it, they should adapt Mars, too. We just need to find a fitting nation for it.
Last edited by athanaric; July 10, 2012 at 08:32 AM.
Praeses
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Jerusalem was about building a 'New Jerusalem' in the UK.
quaeri, si sapis
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I am aware of all that. It was the National Anthem however, the Horst-Wessel-Lied was the Party anthem, which was sung only after the Deutschlandlied, during the Nazi era.
Probably not, seeing as I Vow to Thee my Country was written to the tune of a section of Jupiter, as everyone and their dog knows.Am I the only one to have recognized Gustav Holst's Jupiter in I Vow to Thee, my Country?
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
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Rebellious Scots to crush=SNP?
Primicerius
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The Jacobites were a movement to restore a Stuart king to the throne, not an attempt to restore a Scottish monarchy, which is why they were marching south to London.The portrayal of the Jacobites as a Scottish rebellion, was cleverly done then and apparently seems to be still working.Rebellious Scots to crush=SNP?
I have always found the anthem "God Save the Queen" very unmoving, unless it's to stand up to sing it of course."Land of Hope and Glory" would be my choice for Great Britain and "Jerusalem" for England. I guess "Jerusalem" would draw upon so many different interpretations as to its meaning and would thus be more widely popular, from Libertarian Conservative to Radical Marxist, Christian, Muslim or Jew.
Last edited by caratacus; April 26, 2012 at 07:19 AM.
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I know who the Jacobites were, my comment was aimed more at the SNP's portrayal of it as an uprising of courageous Scots being crushed by the English
Mayonnaise
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You should include all four in the OP, it would make things easier for people.
I'm not entirely sure, myself. Land of Hope and Glory is a great song, but it doesn't quite seem "appropriate".
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It has been done as requested.
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